Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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It recalculates how much we have to give down, because thats easier than writing a check for £350m, and then them writing one for £100m. The total liability is still £350m. Its the amount we don't have control over because of the EU.

Our rebate is due to be renegotiated in 2020, and every 7 years hence. We've given away 20% of it already, and will give away more in the future as the eurozone votes become more stacked against us.

None of that makes the Leave claim of a £350m saving by leaving any more accurate. They are welcome to talk about the rebate and how it can change and how they feel the grants and regional funding could be better spent, and I'd hear them out on it.

But they don't say that. They claim that we can afford to build a hospital each week if we leave.
 
None of that makes the Leave claim of a £350m saving by leaving any more accurate. They are welcome to talk about the rebate and how it can change and how they feel the grants and regional funding could be better spent, and I'd hear them out on it.

But they don't say that. They claim that we can afford to build a hospital each week if we leave.

Yeah it's only £250m a week isn't it, so 72% of a hospital a week?
 
It recalculates how much we have to give down, because thats easier than writing a check for £350m, and then them writing one for £100m. The total liability is still £350m. Its the amount we don't have control over because of the EU.

Our rebate is due to be renegotiated in 2020, and every 7 years hence. We've given away 20% of it already, and will give away more in the future as the eurozone votes become more stacked against us.

Well - it says quite plainly on fullfact and just about everywhere that the liability is £350M, (£18B a year) but we've never paid that, and there's no evidence that we will,

And in effect, it boils down to semantics and legitimacy for example this:

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Is not what's been described above at all, what's written on the bus is incorrect and misleading, according to all the facts.

It's like arguing that the RRP price is way too expensive, when nobody ever paid it anyway and never will.

It's maybe true to some extent (or a large extent) that we don't actually control the £350M liability, but again - that's a totally different argument altogether than saying "We send £350M per week to Brussels"
 
Exactly, the real number isn't exactly tiny when expressed as an absolute so why the need to keep hammering a lie?

rofl..

In all honesty, if the leave campaign said "WE SEND BETWEEN £130M AND £270M A WEEK TO THE EU" and it turned out the official figures mirrored what they're saying, that would bode much better for me and I'd feel more inclined to leave.. I have a much better time with this sort of thing when things *add up* the moment things look suspicious, rigged or exaggerated - it seriously puts a dent in things, from which it's very hard to recover.
 
Wow Question Time is a shambles tonight. Audience shouting at the panel to shut up when they interrupt each other :D. They're all as bad as each other jumping in.
 
As much as I'm undecided on my vote at this time, I have to hand it to Farage - he really does stand out in literally all the debates he appears in, regardless of his overall legitimacy.
 
Oh man, I CANNOT believe a ton of people want to leave the EU, its past the point of just being polite now, when people are that stupid there is nothing left to do but shout louder - but then this does nothing as well.

We leave the EU, we are over.

https://medium.com/@williamgadsbypeet/project-fear-is-a-fitting-name-you-should-be-****ing-terrified-5c93f1b5ef2f#.chqwr7mk6

MODS ^^^ the filter wont let me link this great blog that explains everything anyone needs to know to be honest.
 
According to this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...83344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf

See page 33



I'm not sure of my interpretation of this, as I'm unsure of how the whole framework fits together, but A.10.4 seems to be saying that we don't get anything back in a rebate, because the rolling effect of the discount means we don't over-pay in the first place.. it's like an up-front discount?

Which seems to be why the fullfact site and other fact checking places seem to be saying that we don't pay £350M a week at any point at all.

See it like that.

Every week we need to have £350m on the side. We do get a discount because we all have agreed to do so.
However we put to a pot the rest.

The EU then allocates what ever to our farmers, BBC (yep they get few tens of millions on subsidies to promote the EU), science etc. The rest going to the EU. Which is around half. Between £150-170m per week going physically to the EU accounts.

Now lets see what the EU has spend to our money the last few years.
4.5% lost to "unknown factors", as per EU audit & judicial office for the accounts between 2007-2014.
€5billion spent to topple the Ukrainian government, and put Poroshenko up.

€5billion promised to Turkey. When at the same moment for Greece to receive €7bn loan to repay the EU loan that is due, has to pass a legislation by end of next week, that all agreements of purchasing of Greek assets cannot be challenged in courts, even if they are given for peanuts and inflicting financial damage to the economy.

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Why I am against the EU.
As I said before it started on the same principles like the Athenian Alliance. However shortly, in span of few years, the Athenian Alliance became the Athenian Hegemony. Driving all other member under the thumb of Athens.
and consequently to the Peloponnese (Civil) War.

Same happens with Germany and the core 5 satellites Holland, Austria, Belgium, Poland, Czechia atm in the EU.

Also who is Merkel, who goes to meet the Turk President, strikes a deal giving money, and promise to free visa. And then informs the rest of the EU for that deal?
The EU Commission has Minister to deal with foreign affairs.

Greece is member of the EEC/EU since 1981. However not a single ****er from the EU, has raised their voice to stop Turkey from invading daily the Greek airspace and flying armed planes above the islands. To huge cost over the last 42y not only in money, but in lives also. (to put in perspective, half the Greek debt by 1993 was due to expenditure to intercept the Turks from 1974 onwards).

On top, since 1996 Turkey is claiming half the Aegean and the Greek islands for themselves.
To maintain security, Greece has to maintain a disproportionate army for their economy size. To put into perspective, their tanks & artillery (cutting edge also) are more than the British, French and German armies combined. (10 times more than the British army).
Sure, a single word from EU (or NATO) should have been enough to put the Turks in place.

Also, here have, making deals with a country (Turkey), who doesn't recognise one of the member of the EU (Cyprus) and has even their ports closed to commerce.

So enough of all this EU hypocrisy, and should be cast to the oblivion of history. After all if we vote for Leave, Italy & France are the next in line to demand and possibly vote to quit the EU. (as per recent polls on those two countries). Hell even the Germans contemplating the idea to form a smaller union with the core 5.

After all EU (aka the Germans mainly), they going to lose much more than us, if all goes pear shape and we impose trade tariffs.

(FYI The embargo against Russia, that Germany is pushing to be updated for another year, costs to the British economy $10bn annually in net export trade but that's somewhere on the tiny small prints).
 
Oh man, I CANNOT believe a ton of people want to leave the EU, its past the point of just being polite now, when people are that stupid there is nothing left to do but shout louder - but then this does nothing as well.

We leave the EU, we are over.

https://medium.com/@williamgadsbypeet/project-fear-is-a-fitting-name-you-should-be-****ing-terrified-5c93f1b5ef2f#.chqwr7mk6

MODS ^^^ the filter wont let me link this great blog that explains everything anyone needs to know to be honest.

I tried replacing the word i assume beginning with F but it leads to a 404.
 
A three minute video explaining what we give (minus what we don't give), and then how much is spent here and broadly speaking what on, then comparing that to other spending.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36419806

Urgh, wish I'd seen that earlier, (although I'm sure people will start claiming that it's the BBC being pro remain or whatever lol )

and lol the exact same thing is now being argued on question time
 
I just don't trust any of these politicians and if they want us to stay in then we probably need to get out - they never seem to have anything other than self interest at heart - seriously, I hate the way politicians can mislead people and never be held to account - that is where it should change, let the people who want to lead do it with the understanding that they will be stripped of wealth and even jailed if they fail to deliver. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.....
 
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