Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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Exactly. And my point is, the remain side can't stand all smug saying they have no plan. They know the reason why, the government didn't stay Impartial and let the public make a fully informed choice. The only way to find the plan out is to give the government the agenda to write a plan and many wouldn't want to take that chance. On this topic, It seems leave prefer the most restrictive option for eu nationals that we would realistically see.
The reason for their not being a plan doesn't make any material difference to the impact of the lack of one. Leave is a leap in the dark; no-one can say what will happen, or even what the UK will try to achieve.
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Do they, or were they just not in a strong enough position to reject the holy cow of free-movement in exchange for access to EU markets? They signed what they did because it was the best compromise for them, not because it's what they wanted.
That still doesn't detract from the point either Norway or Switzerland could become fully fledged EU members anytime they want to and yet their people don't want to.
Sweeping statement much?
Well given you 'reckon' it, it must be true
Yes, because we'd still have more control over national laws than we do now.
It seems to me you are in the remain Bubble where everyone that disagrees with EU membership must be a braces-wearing skin-head who just wants to see less darkies.
Even this pro-EU journalist sees the pitfalls in seeing the argument that way...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/may/31/brexiters-eu-leavers-remain
Maybe we will but that will be the choice of the democratically elected government of the UK, and a decision that can be changed or re-considered every 5 years.
At least we'd have a choice, and an ongoing one. If we stay we'll be giving the green light to further integration and more watering down of local border controls laws.
I don't think you realise that a 'Yes' vote won't be seen as 'we like the status quo' by the EU but 'we're like where you're heading, carry on changing the rules'.
You are a weird one then
Feel free to find my posts on it. There was a nice table and even Fox conceded my point on it. However all I was saying was that on many levels it would suit the country as a whole better then full EU membership.
If you are still undecided watch this... only 3 minutes of your life...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w
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Reason you don't get an answer is because it's a bit of silly question. If I was Norwegian, or Swiss, I'd be in that part of the population that would vote to join the EU as a full member. It's no more sensible to expect me to explain why the population vote otherwise than it is to expect me to defend the Leave position or explain why 36% of the population voted Tory at the last general election.
Was it you who made a comment about walking through Turkey with your girlfriend in the last thread and was slapped down by someone who has actually been to Turkey?
I'm not much of a fan of Merkel but she was completely right on refugees, it's an utter disgrace that the rich west - after helping create a crisis in the Middle East - sits and whines about taking a paltry number of refugees while far poorer countries in the area deal with far greater numbers.
And it'll have an impact if we leave as well; our economy won't magically decouple from that of our nearest neighbours on June 24th. So, I ask again, what difference does it make to whether we choose to leave the EU?
I didn't link forecasts, I linked the actual figures from the past few years. Spain has shown strong growth for the past two years and its debt-to-GDP has stabilised. Why should we expect a new crisis on this front?
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Nothing is black and white. Of course another Greek bailout would affect us. But to what degree? Having an invoice from the EU for it AND feeling it in the economy/stock market is different than ONLY dealing with it in the economy/stock market.
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Do they, or were they just not in a strong enough position to reject the holy cow of free-movement in exchange for access to EU markets? They signed what they did because it was the best compromise for them, not because it's what they wanted.
That still doesn't detract from the point either Norway or Switzerland could become fully fledged EU members anytime they want to and yet their people don't want to.
Sweeping statement much?
Well given you 'reckon' it, it must be true
Yes, because we'd still have more control over national laws than we do now.
It seems to me you are in the remain Bubble where everyone that disagrees with EU membership must be a braces-wearing skin-head who just wants to see less darkies.
Even this pro-EU journalist sees the pitfalls in seeing the argument that way...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/may/31/brexiters-eu-leavers-remain
Maybe we will but that will be the choice of the democratically elected government of the UK, and a decision that can be changed or re-considered every 5 years.
At least we'd have a choice, and an ongoing one. If we stay we'll be giving the green light to further integration and more watering down of local border controls laws.
I don't think you realise that a 'Yes' vote won't be seen as 'we like the status quo' by the EU but 'we're like where you're heading, carry on changing the rules'.
Call it a sweeping statement if you must. But a large percentage of the leave sides main argument to leave is immigration and wanting to control our borders. Was a poll not taken recently with the brexit side winning due to their focus on immigration.
So, with a large amount of people voting to leave due to large immigration numbers, i ask again, what is the point in using switzerland, norway as a good example when they are subject to free movement.
Lastly, I am far away from being in a bubble. If you want to leave, then leave properly. There is no point in leaving, but then joining back up again to the things that made you leave in the first place. Thats like saying, "im leaving this club due to loosing sovereignty and immigration issues brought with it, so I am going to join that club over there where i will loose my sovereignty and where there will be the same immigration issues.
I would rather leave fully if a vote to leave came about.
Oh I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your opinion and fair play to you for doing your own research. It was just a joke as what we hear the most is that immigration from EU countries is bad and should be stopped.
We're not not going to be handed any invoice for a Greek bailout. And, of course, the damage to the UK, and EU, economies caused by a Leave vote would also mean that any economic damage from a further Greece-related downturn would also hit harder so it cuts both ways.
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Not really as we would have 150 million extra a week ! I halved it just to be generous to you remainers.
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So an extra £2 or so per person? Awesome!
The idea that we will have any more money in a Brexit scenario is nonsense. Firstly, there's the simple fact that a good chunk of the money supposedly recovered would need to be used up replacing all the things the EU currently does for us - on regulation and so forth, as well as new immigration and border controls - but, more importantly, it takes an utterly trivial amount of damage to the UK economy to outweigh the sums we use to help fund the EU and every serious forecast puts the damage to the UK economy well above those amounts.
If we leave the EU we will have less money than if we remain; both as a nation as an individuals.
How so?
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How many more bail outs, how much more public services pressure will happen due to increased population and less border controls.
How much more money will we need to put in to fund new countries that are not self sufficient to the block.
We will benefit from trade deals with countries outside the EU. Canada / Australia.
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Even if they do watch, the In voters are so blinkered & narrow minded they'll still vote to stay.
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