Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Caged]

Both sides are obviously going to be biased because they're trying to achieve a particular outcome. There's plenty of information available for you to research and come to your own decision based on what you feel is important though.

...I know that? I haven't just sat around waiting for information to land nearby.

It was a comment about how neither side has anything to be proud of in the way the campaign has been handled. There's bias and then there's repeating lies and bogus statistics, and this campaign has seen more of the latter.

 

[thep02]

Do you think you're helping the Leave campaign?

Yeah that kind of abusive **** can almost force me back into the remain camp, I'm pretty sure the reason for the poor out campaign is that the campaigners can't stand their supporters, disgusting bigots or empire loyalist throwbacks to 1878.

 

[McBain]

Well done for turning your back on the uk & seeming us down the toilet.

Hope your proud of yourself.

We're both voting for the same side, but that's a little out of order imo.

 

[Mr Jack]

Rubbish, please stop quoting this flawed statistic.

You'll excuse if I prefer to rely on the findings of reputable economists than the opinions of some bloke on the internet.

The costs to the NHS and education system that immigrants having children when they are here are.

These are included.

That not all economic migrants will leave before claiming a pension

How is this more of an issue for migrants than British citizens? The net increase in economic activity produced by having more people producing now should sufficiently increase the size of the economy sufficiently to pay for the pensions of people alive now who will claim in future and if, as you suggest, their children also stay here they'll contribute to these pensions in future. Not to mention the lower debt payments resulting from the continuing contribution of migrants to lowering our deficit.

That offsets the amount paid to exchequer in tax against the amount that person sent back home (so it can never be seen by exchequer ever again)

I don't see any reason to believe that this is a more significant issue than, for example, the money that leaves the country to buy Mercedes, or goes on foreign holidays, etc.

That offsets the amount being paid in tax by economic migrants against the increased amount paid out to those on JSA because they can't compete with the ability to work for minimum wage with them.

There is no increase in unemployment among British citizens due to immigration, nor decrease in wages, so this simply isn't an effect that needs accounting for.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Well done for turning your back on the uk & seeming us down the toilet.

Hope your proud of yourself.

You are doing more damage to the out campaign than any single vote. People like you are the reason why brexiters are being painted with that same broad brush

 

[Conscript]

Not really as we would have 150 million extra a week ! I halved it just to be generous to you remainers.

Rather than be generous, why not be accurate instead?

"In 2015, Britain actually sent £250 million a week to the EU. After accounting for the money the Brussels sent back to Britain and EU spending we include in our foreign aid target, the net cost was £120 million a week or £17 million a day. Per person, that’s 26p a day – or half the price of a Mars bar."

http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/

This £350m a week figure had been bandied around a lot as the claimed weekly cost of membership, but it is purposely misleading. Unfortunately so many people seem to be happy to regurgitate it without even bothering to check it critically.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Exactly. And my point is, the remain side can't stand all smug saying they have no plan. They know the reason why, the government didn't stay Impartial and let the public make a fully informed choice. The only way to find the plan out is to give the government the agenda to write a plan and many wouldn't want to take that chance. On this topic, It seems leave prefer the most restrictive option for eu nationals that we would realistically see.

And? That's not a reason to remain. Too many of you need to find your balls - the unknown is an adventure not something to cower away from.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Rather than be generous, why not be accurate instead?

"In 2015, Britain actually sent £250 million a week to the EU. After accounting for the money the Brussels sent back to Britain and EU spending we include in our foreign aid target, the net cost was £120 million a week or £17 million a day. Per person, that’s 26p a day – or half the price of a Mars bar."

http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/

This £350m a week figure had been bandied around a lot as the claimed weekly cost of membership, but it is purposely misleading. Unfortunately so many people seem to be happy to regurgitate it without even bothering to check it critically.

The major point being that we still sustain a net loss and that's money that we could be spending on the national priorities that we decide are important.

 

[Felon]

Well done for turning your back on the uk & seeming us down the toilet.

Hope your proud of yourself.

Down the toilet? just lol.

 

[scorza]

Don't know if anyone already posted this :

From the Telegraph(UK) today,

European Council president Donald Tusk has warned EU leaders in the bluntest terms that their “utopian” illusions are tearing Europe apart, and that any attempt to seize on Brexit to force through yet more integration would be a grave mistake.

"It is us who today are responsible,” he said, speaking at a conclave of Christian-Democrat and centre-right leaders in Luxembourg. “Obsessed with the idea of instant and total integration, we failed to notice that ordinary people, the citizens of Europe, do not share our Euro-enthusiasm.”

"The spectre of a break-up is haunting Europe and a vision of a federation doesn't seem to me like the best answer. We need to understand the necessity of the historical moment,”

Pervenche Beres, a leading French Socialist MEP, said she is rooting for a vote to remain but with deep misgivings, dreading the thought of a triumphalist David Cameron strutting the EU stage days later. “The United Kingdom would be even more odious to Brussels if it stays in Europe,”

There are mounting signs that the Dutch, Scandinavians, and many Eastern European states may not be willing to back any push by Brussels for a ‘Plan B’ of deeper political union – with an ‘EU army’, and joint foreign, security, and border policies - once the British are out of the way.


The eurozone’s failure to back monetary union with a badly-needed fiscal union a full six years into the EMU debt crisis has nothing to do with Britain, which has eagerly encouraged such a move. It is chiefly due to a German and Dutch veto

Seems to be a lose-lose situation for both the EU & UK, which ever way the vote goes.

Yeah I saw that. I doubt anything will change - the concerns of the small folk are not a concern for the Eurocrats in Brussels who will no doubt be thinking; if it's a Remain, we continue. if it's a Leave, we say on we go.

 

[scorza]

Rather than be generous, why not be accurate instead?

"In 2015, Britain actually sent £250 million a week to the EU. After accounting for the money the Brussels sent back to Britain and EU spending we include in our foreign aid target, the net cost was £120 million a week or £17 million a day. Per person, that’s 26p a day – or half the price of a Mars bar."

http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/

This £350m a week figure had been bandied around a lot as the claimed weekly cost of membership, but it is purposely misleading. Unfortunately so many people seem to be happy to regurgitate it without even bothering to check it critically.

Just curious but when someone asks you how much your council tax is, do you deduct the value of the bin collection before responding?

 

[[TW]Fox]

The major point being that we still sustain a net loss and that's money that we could be spending on the national priorities that we decide are important.

That we decide?

Or the government? The government half the Brexiters are usually railing against and whining about but suddenly will be able to make all the right choices?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Just curious but when someone asks you how much your council tax is, do you deduct the value of the bin collection before responding?

It would be fairly sensible to do so if you were using the number to decide whether you'd be better off not paying it.

 

[ReltonBFD]

feeling very optimistic the vote will go leave , still out

 

[Lt_Red]

I dread this debate turning to immigration. For me this is not about immigration.

I am out on grounds of the nature of the unelected European state, that reform will remain impossible due to existing treaties preventing material changes, that the nature of the EU appears to be set up for the benefit of big business and not for the benefit of the people and there is nothing we can do about it, that trade with those outside of the EU will likely be more beneficial to the UK economy over time than trade within the block itself, that it gives us a major opportunity to make good with the commonwealth that we so heinously abandoned back in the day, that the farce that was the EU constitution followed by the treaty of Lisbon and the farce that was the double Irish referendum shows the EU superstate has utter contempt for the populace and that it is highly likely the UK will be sucked into a federal Europe, European army, Euro etc if we stay (likely by 2020) whether we like it or not.

I stated this in the last thread and confused one or two of you so I'll put it more simply - We should all vote out simply because I believe they will not let us leave anyway and that will show the Remainers and the Brexiteers and the rest of the EU member states that the populace of EU member states already have no power of self determination.

 

[ReltonBFD]

Immigration is the biggest concern among voters , well it changes daily with the economy .

I think pretty much every man and his dog , apart from a few loons have voiced a lot of concern about the number coming in and its only leaving the EU which will quell the numbers , they would be idiots not to play the Strongest suit .

Although i do agree with you i'd probably be pushing the Democracy/Sovereignty issue hard too

 

[The Mad Rapper]

That we decide?

Or the government? The government half the Brexiters are usually railing against and whining about but suddenly will be able to make all the right choices?

Obviously the Government; who react to public pressure as you well know. Why do I have to spell that out to you? You aren't stupid, so go quibble with someone else.

 

[Skunkworks]

That we decide?

Or the government? The government half the Brexiters are usually railing against and whining about but suddenly will be able to make all the right choices?

It's about accountability. My god you come out with some dumb ****.

 

[scorza]

It would be fairly sensible to do so if you were using the number to decide whether you'd be better off not paying it.

The current situation is like you giving me £1000 every month, and I'll send you £600 worth of food, clothing, other necessaries in return. Does that sound like a good deal to you? If so let me know and I'll give you my bank details. How are we not better off by not paying?

 

[Conscript]

Just curious but when someone asks you how much your council tax is, do you deduct the value of the bin collection before responding?

No, but I probably would do if trying to correctly ascertain whether I would be better off if I wasn't paying it. Even if we left the EU, we'd still have to pay a similar amount to retain access to privileges in the EU market (see further down that first source), so the potential saving is even smaller.