In case you missed it I think the bit that people are taking issue with is using a less than day old mass killing to make a political point. Either that or the use of "before" twice.
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In case you missed it I think the bit that people are taking issue with is using a less than day old mass killing to make a political point. Either that or the use of "before" twice.
That is the exact opposite of a single market. IT services is not a single market in the EU - there are different regulations that apply depending on where your service is run from e.g. different regs on data retention, money laundering, identification etc. This is why you'll often see a service provider set up localised versions of their service in each member state.
Everyone is entitled to their vote.
My stance is that voting leave is irresponsible for the future of this country and the world, which we shouldn't turn our back on. there are dozens of reasons for this, and sitting on the standard tropes of immigration and the economy is foolhardy. I'm not about to write an essay (I don't have time, on lunch) but I will give two short points.
1) Making a drastic decision that effects everyone in the country to a potentially massive degree without proper planning, foresight and research is insane. Sure, we can blame Cameron for calling the vote (plonker), but to vote out whilst having basically no understanding of what's on the other side is crazy. And don't tell me that you do understand, or know exactly what will happen, you don't. Nobody does. THAT is part of the problem. If out was a genuine option, there should be years of planning and assessments and working with the EU, trade nations, local councils.. etc etc etc - huge numbers are affected by this and to wang it on a feeling because 'too many immigrants' is ludicrous.
2) The people leading this out campaign are the likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. And backed by Donald Trump. If you actually find yourselves routinely agreeing with these xenophobic, borederline racists then I can't change your mind. But if you're on the edge, think about it - are these the people you trust to be truthful now, and deliver a more successful Britain in a brexit scenario? Even if we could achieve more out (and I do not think that's the case) I wouldn't trust them to boil an egg.
Those are two top line reasons to vote remain without even going into the details of why the EU is good for us. Immigration, Health(NHS), education, science, diversity, wealth, trade, travel.. so many things. The UK government would not protect everything we lose from leaving the EU, it touches us in more ways than people realise.
The EU isn't perfect. Leaving it wont be either. But whilst we're in it, we benefit greatly from having a diverse democratic body backing the UK. Don't vote leave on a whimsical ideal, lets stay part of the world.
My stance is that voting leave is irresponsible for the future of this country and the world, which we shouldn't turn our back on. there are dozens of reasons for this, and sitting on the standard tropes of immigration and the economy is foolhardy. I'm not about to write an essay (I don't have time, on lunch) but I will give two short points.
1) Making a drastic decision that effects everyone in the country to a potentially massive degree without proper planning, foresight and research is insane. Sure, we can blame Cameron for calling the vote (plonker), but to vote out whilst having basically no understanding of what's on the other side is crazy. And don't tell me that you do understand, or know exactly what will happen, you don't. Nobody does. THAT is part of the problem. If out was a genuine option, there should be years of planning and assessments and working with the EU, trade nations, local councils.. etc etc etc - huge numbers are affected by this and to wang it on a feeling because 'too many immigrants' is ludicrous.
2) The people leading this out campaign are the likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. And backed by Donald Trump. If you actually find yourselves routinely agreeing with these xenophobic, borederline racists then I can't change your mind. But if you're on the edge, think about it - are these the people you trust to be truthful now, and deliver a more successful Britain in a brexit scenario? Even if we could achieve more out (and I do not think that's the case) I wouldn't trust them to boil an egg.
Those are two top line reasons to vote remain without even going into the details of why the EU is good for us. Immigration, Health(NHS), education, science, diversity, wealth, trade, travel.. so many things. The UK government would not protect everything we lose from leaving the EU, it touches us in more ways than people realise.
The EU isn't perfect. Leaving it wont be either. But whilst we're in it, we benefit greatly from having a diverse democratic body backing the UK. Don't vote leave on a whimsical ideal, lets stay part of the world.
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A single market isn't a binary choice. It's not all or nothing, it's a process towards harmonisation of regulatory frameworks. The EU isn't perfect, and there is work to get closer to a comprehensive single market, but that doesn't undermine the fact that much of the work has been done.
Many small tech companies can easily operate all over the EU without localised subsidiaries.
Wrong again I'm afraid. A single market is the outcome at the end of the process - and yes, they are trying to create a single market for services but have been unable to do so as yet.
Agree - some sort of Commonwealth of European States that respects individual nations, their culture, laws and history.
In what way does EU not respect individual nations' culture, laws and history then, scorza?
That's just another red herring from the EU I'm afraid.
If you want to sell to the EU market, you have to abide by EU regulations, whether you're IN or OUT of the EU. Countries all over the world sell to the EU and don't need to be in the political union.
Problem is, if a UK public relations company wants to do business in India (as per the Newsnight economics special*), because we're IN they have to abide by EU rules. Same as a UK company selling to a UK consumer.
Result - massive red tape and burden on business that even the Government accepts costs billions and means barriers to growth, an environment that hurts innovation and generally favours big business.
Standards are going global anyway, if you produce a credit card it has to be to ISO standards, as does a lot of stuff as per here. And where is the ISO organization based.....Switzerland
*That business owner was voting leave
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Well, your view is a minority one. Pretty much every economic institution disagrees with you.
I have been up front and admitted that work needs to be done to deepen the integration around regulatory frameworks within the EU to make it truly seamless, but denying that a single market exists (intentionally) undermines the work that has has been achieved, which is significant.
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That's just another red herring from the EU I'm afraid.
If you want to sell to the EU market, you have to abide by EU regulations, whether you're IN or OUT of the EU. Countries all over the world sell to the EU and don't need to be in the political union.
Problem is, if a UK public relations company wants to do business in India (as per the Newsnight economics special*), because we're IN they have to abide by EU rules. Same as a UK company selling to a UK consumer.
Result - massive red tape and burden on business that even the Government accepts costs billions and means barriers to growth, an environment that hurts innovation and generally favours big business.
Standards are going global anyway, if you produce a credit card it has to be to ISO standards, as does a lot of stuff as per here. And where is the ISO organization based.....Switzerland
*That business owner was voting leave
There's a lot of irony in you saying that my point is a red herring.
I'm not talking about trade outside the EU. I'm talking about trading within the bloc as part of the single market. That is relatively easy compared to trading outside the EU.
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Reform is a red herring, not going to happen. Cameron tried and got laughed at.
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Reform was never going to happen at the last minute to try and give political capital to avoid a split in the conservative party.
A half arsed attempt doesn't mean reform isn't possible.
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It certainly won't properly acknowledge democratically elected governments if they are not to their liking!
... and yet you haven't provided a single link to back up your assertion. Don't believe me? Perhaps you'll believe our government: http://archive.openeurope.org.uk/Content/Documents/Pdfs/APPGreportservices2013.pdf
Cameron didn't try for true reform, that would take years. He pushed for yet more special treatment.
That's the problem with our membership. The other nations don't sideline us. We did it to ourselves.
Your source (which is a document suggesting reform, incidentally - for those arguing that reform is not possible) clearly states that there are services which DO fall under 'single market for services'.
The point it is making is the same as Burnsey2023 was. That the 'single market for services' does exist but doesn't cover all services by virtue of the fact that some are governed by individual standards.
There is a difference between not existing and not being wholly encompassing.
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I know it's like we're the awkward one in the commune that just won't drink the Koolaid for some reason.
edit we're a fairly savvy bunch but in case anyone doesn't know the phrase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
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You know what the EU Services Directive is right? It's a website where member states say what qualifications are required if you want to provide a particular service in that member state. Now in any sensible person's world, that does not equate to a single market for services.
How are these suggested reforms going do you think? As usual anything from the UK is ignored I would suggest.
With a God Emperor who rules over all of humanity and has elite genetically modified superhuman soldiers to watch over the imperium?
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