Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Mulder said:
The EU stands for privatization, corporatism and capitalism.

Jim Sillars, Former deputy leader SNP, "EU treaties enshrine the ethic of capitalism".

European Union uses eurocrisis as alibi to push privatisation of water services
Privatizing Europe - Using Crisis to Entrench Neoliberalism
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Yup look at Ukraine, EU sponsored takeover and part of the deal was sell off everything public.

Edit: Also when people say the EU keeps Europe safe, funny how Ukraine has been completely forgotten. A conflict instigated by this organisation of love and peace.
 
phil675 said:
Yup look at Ukraine, EU sponsored takeover and part of the deal was sell off everything public.

Edit: Also when people say the EU keeps Europe safe, funny how Ukraine has been completely forgotten. A conflict instigated by this organisation of love and peace.
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Is Ukraine part of the EU?
 
Six6siX said:
Yes, as a member state with influence and our terms of access to the EU market for goods and services which accounts for around 50% of our totals.
They're two that come to mind as far as the economy is concerned.
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And as far as unemployment is concerned?
 
McBain said:
And as far as unemployment is concerned?
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With respect to pre EU economies, the industries we have now are quite different. Our strengths as a country lie elsewhere compared to where they did pre EU.

Therefore in leaving, and losing the preferential economic partnership with the EU we currently have and which our industries are geared toward, means that they will not be as prosperous and that leads to higher unemployment.

No one is saying we can't work on our own - and no one can predict figures but logically, just that the way in which we are 'set up' economically is such that it favours our current configuration and changing that status-quo will have a negative effect.
 
Didn't the Ukrainian democratically elected president refuse to accept an EU deal? So the supporters of it started to protest, it escalated and it ended up with the president being removed? Sounds fair.

And Russia came off as the bully.

Lets see if the EU manage to bribe Netherlands into submission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement#Ratification

EU to propose visa-free travel for Ukraine despite Dutch vote
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-eu-ukraine-idUSKCN0X70SJ

To confirm the EU works on a majority vote now? Are there no vetos?
 
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sityeuropa said:
Didn't the Ukrainian democratically elected president refuse to accept an EU deal? So the supporters of it started to protest, it escalated and it ended up with the president being removed? Sounds fair.

And Russia came off as the bully.
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I think "democratically elected" is stretching it a bit there but yes, Russia bullied him into not accepting the EU deal and the rest is ... still going on. We need a strong Europe or Russia will "exert its influence" again, unfortunately the EU does not mean a strong Europe it makes a weaker one, where nation states are paralysed by red-tape and complex legal processes. I say give power back to nation states and strengthen our military alliance - NATO.
 
sityeuropa said:
Didn't the Ukrainian democratically elected president refuse to accept an EU deal? So the supporters of it started to protest, it escalated and it ended up with the president being removed? Sounds fair.

And Russia came off as the bully.

Lets see if the EU manage to bribe Netherlands into submission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement#Ratification
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exactly this. EU pushes its weight around and Russia gets seen as the bully. :/
 
Overlag said:
exactly this. EU pushes its weight around and Russia gets seen as the bully. :/
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Remind me, which of the EU and Russia has annexed part of Ukraine? Which of the EU and Russia has been sending non-uniformed troops into Ukraine to maintain the civil war?
 
sityeuropa said:
When you say bullied, you could mean offered a competitive package not to sign?
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Sorry, but for all its faults - the EU is way more "competitive" than being part of Vladimir Putin's customs union.

Anyway, why we talking about Russia and Ukraine - neither are in the EU.
 
scorza said:
Anyway, why we talking about Russia and Ukraine - neither are in the EU.
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The point is EU is very much a dictatorship and will push through their agenda no matter what.

The Dutch rejecting this deal means nothing because of a majority vote. I thought all had to agree? Is this a recent change?

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Different kinds of voting for different issues, different vetos. Very complex and grey.
 
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sityeuropa said:
The Dutch rejecting this deal means nothing because of a majority vote. I thought all had to agree? Is this a recent change?
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The Dutch didn't reject the deal. They held a non-binding referendum and then their government chose not to go with the result. As far as the EU is concerned the Dutch backed the deal.
 
Mr Jack said:
Remind me, which of the EU and Russia has annexed part of Ukraine? Which of the EU and Russia has been sending non-uniformed troops into Ukraine to maintain the civil war?
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Russia's actions are equally shady, the region of Crimea had an election to join Russia, I don't think anyone can truly believe the result was accurate. However Russia's position before the conflict was that Ukraine is a vassal state, an important one because of the port in the Mediterranean. The EU wanted to take that off them and deploying unofficial troops was the response they got.

Also I'd like to add that the pro-EU side was backed up by neo-nazi groups, during the protests they were killing civil servants like something out of Libya. There are pictures of Ukrainian army unironically sporting nazi clobber too. It's a very murky conflict over there with no good or bad side.
 
Moses said:
They took it over with their military, then held a dodgy referendum. If that's allowed, we open ourselves up to a world of pain in the future - would future annexations of the Baltic states by Russia be similarly okay in your opinion, for example? 'It's not cool, but meh it's just shady/politics *shrug*'

And would Ukraine joining the EU, or pivoting more towards it, meant the end of that naval base? Well, no, they couldn't just end the arrangement like that.
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The east side of Ukraine clearly has an allegiance to Russia, the nation was already in Putin's pocket and annexing the place was not the preferred action as you can see from Russia's foreign policy it likes to control through economic and political means. The Russian military elements in eastern Ukraine would have had much more fierce resistance if civilians were not on their side.

The whole thing was to disrupt Russian influence in the run up to Syria intervention. The port in Crimea is a huge part of that as it's the only Russian access to the Mediterranean. Without it, providing support to Syria would have been more difficult.
 
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