That the financial advisors saying that it will is not on our economy's interest to leave, per per news outlets.
That's all. 1 page of drivel.
I can take a pic if you want.
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That the financial advisors saying that it will is not on our economy's interest to leave, per per news outlets.
That's all. 1 page of drivel.
I can take a pic if you want.
You've used this word 'protest' again. What does the EU have to do with our own government's targets on migration? What migration crisis and freedom of movement are you referring to?
If the sentiment of your vote is to make a protest against the EU (by voting out) then surely no amount of concessions should make you change your mind? The premise of your stance is actually, I want to stay in the EU but want change.
No need - just interested to know whether it was a stance based in fact and figures to draw a conclusion or a just emotive 'doom and gloom' rhetoric.
I think you need to look at the timeline of events, Russia responded to the trouble in Kiev by persuading Crimea to break away before the Crimean authorities were swayed to the pro-EU side. That port is incredibly important for the Russians, it wasn't something they were prepared to risk. What other reason does the EU have to get involved with Ukraine?
Anyway the reason I bring Ukraine up is it opened my eyes to how the EU isn't much different to Russia and the US, it's just another sphere of influence with the desire for power. It irks me when people use the 'EU brought us peace' line when the people of Ukraine were plunged into war over political interests like that.
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So it was the EU that sent 100k Ukrainians in the street to protest. And it was the EU that forced the former Ukrainian president to use lethal force against those people, resulting in ~100 people murdered in the streets and many more injured. How can you not see the giant holes in your poor excuse of an argument?
I suppose I am in a minority, having worked before the EEC, during the EEC and the EU (and may work post EU) 
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I worked in Spain in 1979 before they joined in 1986. Although I needed a visa, green card insurance and a bail bond (get out of jail card). This was post Franco's Spain and the police could be a bit scary and the jails awful. I was always being asked whether I was a supporter of his which could have been problematic as he was very divisive.
Pre EEC: Left school/college 1972. Had numerous jobs, in a bank, in a factory (lathe work), farm labourer, van driver. No problems acquiring a job just did not know what I wanted.
I voted for the EEC accession in 1975. I was progressing a career in construction by 1974.
The main influence on my life, of the EU establishment, is the effect it has had latterly on the adoption of standard design codes throughout Europe (and the world) this is generally positive. The obvious use of metric measures. I was educated in imperial measure and metric both.
My belief is to have a stable community, it is necessary to have equivalence in economies. It is possible to bring on countries to this equivalence however not as full members. The tests that have been proposed for accession and also for membership of the Eurozone are never adhered to or complied with long term in my opinion.
I tend to be for out, and a looser trading bloc with counties free to maintain border controls as they see fit to suit their economies.
It is very well to say we need an ever larger population and build new towns, extend cities, schools, hospitals, roads, rails, power stations for ever. At some time, we will be totally dependant on imports for everything including staple foodstuffs because we no longer have space for an agricultural economy.
The balloon will burst one day in the future and we will have to reverse all this expansion, as has happened in previous eras.
.I worked in Spain in 1979 before they joined in 1986. Although I needed a visa, green card insurance and a bail bond (get out of jail card). This was post Franco's Spain and the police could be a bit scary and the jails awful. I was always being asked whether I was a supporter of his which could have been problematic as he was very divisive.
Pre EEC: Left school/college 1972. Had numerous jobs, in a bank, in a factory (lathe work), farm labourer, van driver. No problems acquiring a job just did not know what I wanted.
I voted for the EEC accession in 1975. I was progressing a career in construction by 1974.
The main influence on my life, of the EU establishment, is the effect it has had latterly on the adoption of standard design codes throughout Europe (and the world) this is generally positive. The obvious use of metric measures. I was educated in imperial measure and metric both.
My belief is to have a stable community, it is necessary to have equivalence in economies. It is possible to bring on countries to this equivalence however not as full members. The tests that have been proposed for accession and also for membership of the Eurozone are never adhered to or complied with long term in my opinion.
I tend to be for out, and a looser trading bloc with counties free to maintain border controls as they see fit to suit their economies.
It is very well to say we need an ever larger population and build new towns, extend cities, schools, hospitals, roads, rails, power stations for ever. At some time, we will be totally dependant on imports for everything including staple foodstuffs because we no longer have space for an agricultural economy.
The balloon will burst one day in the future and we will have to reverse all this expansion, as has happened in previous eras.
So it was the EU that sent 100k Ukrainians in the street to protest. And it was the EU that forced the former Ukrainian president to use lethal force against those people, resulting in ~100 people murdered in the streets and many more injured. How can you not see the giant holes in your poor excuse of an argument?
I'm not making an argument. My point is the EU isn't any better than other world powers.
Also the stuff that went on in Kiev was insane, different groups of people 'protesting' fighting against eachother with the police attempting to maintain order. Of course people got killed/hurt it was anarchy for weeks, it looked like medieval warfare. And yes the EU had a great influence in what happened, do you think they are blameless?
Poland or the Czech Republic are becoming more like Austria and Germany, not the other way around. We're reaching equivalence naturally, through GDP growth, education and cultural influence. The West invests in the East, the East grows fast and their appetite for services and high quality goods increases which is exactly what the West sells.
Step anywhere outside of the EU and things become much more complicated. The membership is mandatory for the process I described.
What previous eras?
Of course the EU is blameless. The Ukrainians want to be closer to the EU because they are seeing how Romania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland are becoming richer every year while they struggle with Russia's gas bills. It's rational to choose the EU, there's nothing but poverty and conflict in Russia's sphere of influence.
You can't possibly believe instigating a coup makes the EU blameless. What about the other half of Ukraine loyal to Russia?
I've seen some noshing off in my time but this takes the cake.
The EU did not instigate anything and the 'half' you speak of is actually 20-25% and they are mostly Russian ethnics. There's nothing wrong with them having a voice but in a democracy the majority takes these decisions. Unfortunately, Russians are not big fans of the democractic process.
The EU stepping on Russia's toes is the entire beginning of the conflict. How can you have it so one-sided?
Doom and gloom rhetoric.
Tbh I have heard more facts from the leave campaign, eg the Spectator editor about laws and the country sovereignty, than the Remain, which has stick to the scaremongering.
And I am Greek, living here over the last 13 years. Surely I should "by default" support Remain. However I am not alone. Many Greeks I know living here, and have British nationality, are going to vote for Leave.
Because we see how undemocratic EU is, since the rest of the European media, cover the EU almost constantly. Not just one off once a week like the BBC does, if something important is discussed. We receive updates, every single day.
And if we vote Remain, we should support Diem25, is the only party that asks for complete restructuring of the EU in whole Europe and has a chance. None of the UK parties do, not even UKIP.
A very good read & posted the other day if I recall.
Isle of Man, Guernsey etc have their own taxes and rules. And surprisingly are out of the EU!!!!!!
Ofc everyone would love to live there
But the French minister comments show how arrogant the EU elite is. And those people in EU have more weight than our ministers while we are in EU.
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