Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Six6siX said:
The raw numbers, yes. But I'm yet to hear anything about the impact of these numbers that isn't controllable by our government as it stands.
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It boils down to money I guess. The UK is approx £1.7Tn in debt hence austerity which is only eating into the deficit, not the debt itself. So can't plow the money into things like the NHS, schools, housing which are required to handle the numbers. This incidentally is my reason for voting out. I know they say we won't be billed for any future bailouts but when you see Belgium complaining that they are going to be 2.1Bn euros worse off after a brexit and they aren't even supposed to be one of the poor countries it's time to call it quits.
 
Third Opinion said:
Wasn't this tried by Cameron? He came back with very little even though Britain's membership was at stake.
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Why do people think this made his hand stronger? How do you imagine that "give me what I want and I'll maybe stay or maybe not" is a winning hand? Diplomacy is slow, it takes time to win arguments and get what you want. Cameron has been utterly inept in the EU from before he was even PM, his idiotic decision to pull the Tories out of the EPP massively weakened his ability to deal with Europe and reduced Tory influence.
 
Is anyone else just completely fed up with this now?

I was hoping they'd postpone it because it's descended into utter farce and the lies we're being fed are epic in proportion.

The Jonathan Pie Referendum sketch is bang on the money but I can't post it as there's too much swearing.

Still voting leave and I've chosen to avoid all mainstream media until Thursday because it's just giving me a headache and I'm fed up with this competition of who can come up with the biggest whoppers to sway the public. This whole thing really has brought out the worst in people.
 
Metallifux said:
It boils down to money I guess. The UK is approx £1.7Tn in debt hence austerity which is only eating into the deficit, not the debt itself. So can't plow the money into things like the NHS, schools, housing which are required to handle the numbers. This incidentally is my reason for voting out. I know they say we won't be billed for any future bailouts but when you see Belgium complaining that they are going to be 2.1Bn euros worse off after a brexit and they aren't even supposed to be one of the poor countries it's time to call it quits.
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Nail on the head - it absolutely is all about money. And this is why I think leaving won't make a blind bit of difference.

It's a fact that immigrants in this country are actually overall contributors to the economy several times over what they cost in public services. I think it's reasonable to conclude that leaving the EU will not make a jot of difference to these numbers because the government simply can't afford to reduce that large source of income. We need immigration to maintain the money coming in to fund our public services so it makes no sense to stop it.
 
itchy said:
Another expert I see or paid shill as I see it. Yes I watched the first 15 minutes he is a down and out right Richard.

I am sick and tired of all the **** and propaganda being portrayed by the in campaign.

It has sod all to do with people, just big business, banking and people with money want in.

The EU is nothing more than a fishing net to capture as many people as possible into its arms, to accommodate big business and money.
DC said we have 500,000,000 people to trade with!
Well how about we trade with 6.5billion instead of .5 billion.

It does not make sense to me at all, we can trade with the EU and abide by EU edicts on trade for 0.5 billion.

Yet out the EU we can trade with 6.5billion without EU ie rest of the planet? :confused:
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You should have watched the lot then. He explains how we wouldn't miraculously find ourselves openly trading with every country in the world the day after voting out. You make no sense about trading with 6.5b people either, think about that statement for a moment, consider who exactly 6.5b are. He also explains how being in the EU allows us to trade with the rest of the world by bargaining off EU commodities.

If trade is your argument then remaining in the EU is advantageous to that trade. Your rant about "big business" is simply that. I don't see little old you heading off to Mexico to export 1million commodities from the UK, who do you think does?.... Big business ;)
 
Six6siX said:
Nail on the head - it absolutely is all about money. And this is why I think leaving won't make a blind bit of difference.

It's a fact that immigrants in this country are actually overall contributors to the economy several times over what they cost in public services. I think it's reasonable to conclude that leaving the EU will not make a jot of difference to these numbers because the government simply can't afford to reduce that large source of income. We need immigration to maintain the money coming in to fund our public services so it makes no sense to stop it.
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And nobody is talking about stopping it, controlling it. I'm sure you'll agree that 50000 qualified nurses will make more tax revenue than 50000 farm hands.
 
dowie said:
You're more likely to get (and win) a second Scottish Independent referendum if the UK leaves the EU!
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Tefal said:
dont you need leave top win to trigger a Scottish referendum as the Scots want to stay in?
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Yes, leave needs to win overall but remain needs to have the most votes in Scotland. If remain in Scotland manage to gain 55%+ of the vote in Scotland yet we are are still pulled out of the EU due to England voting leave, we will legitimately be able to say that Scotland prefers the EU to the UK.

Scotland voting remain is very likely.

The SNP has already made a manifesto pledge to hold another Scottish referendum in the event of a significant change of circumstances. Being pulled out of the union against our will qualifies.

So in essence a vote in England for leave is a vote to potentially not only leave the EU but also to break apart the UK.

If you want Scottish Independence and live in Scotland the only sensible way to vote is to vote remain.
 
Six6siX said:
It's a fact that immigrants in this country are actually overall contributors to the economy several times over what they cost in public services. our public
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That cannot include the vast majority who are on minimum wage short term one or two week contracts such as picking Strawberries & Cabbages ? what do they do inbetween one crop and another, what do they do in the winter etc, can they claim benefits ?
 
phil675 said:
Encourage many children single earner married couples through tax breaks.
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And this is the problem with a lot of the debates on here, you have given a very simplistic sound bite in response to someones question and that's it, in your mind you think you have answered/solved the issue - job done.

So, how is this going to work?

A single working person is finding it difficult to rent/buy a property, let alone support a family of multiple children.

Also, how much tax is a single person going to pay, to get back via tax breaks...not a lot. Have you any idea how much children cost nowadays?

So then we are left with something like the Tax Credit system to do the job. Which if you haven't noticed is going through a major cutting excercise, as with all welfare - due to the fact we are leaving beyond our means. So you have now just proposed a massive increase in the tax credit system.

It also goes against a lot of the sentiment on here that people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, and now you are proposing the state actively encourages (married, single working) people to have children through tax funded support - awesome!

I guess that's why the politicians like these economic migrants, because they arrive with all the costs of upbringing and schooling already paid for by someone else, and they are ready to start work and paying into the system from day one.
 
Usher said:
That cannot include the vast majority who are on minimum wage short term one or two week contracts such as picking Strawberries & Cabbages ? what do they do inbetween one crop and another, what do they do in the winter etc, can they claim benefits ?
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Got any citation for that? (genuine question)

It would be quite interesting to see a breakdown of types of job / income levels for economic migrants

Oh and what farm workers do between crops is the same as what the business does - other work within the business :p unless you think all these producing and packing firms close down between crops :D
 
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Labours failure to deal with or even acknowledge the immigration issue has rankled so many feathers.

all farage needs to do is replay the Gordon Brown 'bigoted' women of rochdale video and the referendum will be decided.
 
Freakbro said:
And this is the problem with a lot of the debates on here, you have given a very simplistic sound bite in response to someones question and that's it, in your mind you think you have answered/solved the issue - job done.

So, how is this going to work?

A single working person is finding it difficult to rent/buy a property, let alone support a family of multiple children.

Also, how much tax is a single person going to pay, to get back via tax breaks...not a lot. Have you any idea how much children cost nowadays?

So then we are left with something like the Tax Credit system to do the job. Which if you haven't noticed is going through a major cutting excercise, as with all welfare - due to the fact we are leaving beyond our means. So you have now just proposed a massive increase in the tax credit system.

It also goes against a lot of the sentiment on here that people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, and now you are proposing the state actively encourages (married, single working) people to have children through tax funded support - awesome!

I guess that's why the politicians like these economic migrants, because they arrive with all the costs of upbringing and schooling already paid for by someone else, and they are ready to start work and paying into the system from day one.
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Here's an oldie but a goody. I wonder how these guys are getting on as a 'Encourage many children single earner married couples through tax breaks.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...om-London-semi-home-55-000-year-benefits.html

Sorry for the Daily Fail link, it was them or the Star or the Express.
 
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