Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jimbeam3678 said:
Glad you are finding it good viewing. First video I have seen which is straightforward to understand and tell you facts.:)
Click to expand...

I mentioned R4's More or Less program last week was like this. There are two omnibus episodes (1 hour total) that you might like too.

1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jczmc
2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jl61s

If it seems the EU referendum debate just involves two politicians shouting contradictory statistics at each other - then we are here to help. In this programme, Tim Harford gives you a break from the politicians and picks through the statistical crime scene of the debate looking for the truth. Bracing concept, isn't it? He'll be looking at all of the big questions - the cost of the EU, immigration, lawmaking, regulations and trade.
 
Trifid said:
I find Dan Hannan the most convincing politician for leave, and has plenty of other videos on his channel.
Click to expand...

Certainly one of the most articulate, together with Andrea Leadsom. You might want to pick up his book for 99p, which highlights some of the issues (https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/744811919408660480).

Leave and Remain will try to drag the conversation in particular directions but as someone pointed out, you can boil it all down to the following; either you want UK to be independent, or you want an EU federal state in the future.
 
joeyjojo said:
I mentioned R4's More or Less program last week was like this. There are two omnibus episodes (1 hour total) that you might like too.

1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jczmc
2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jl61s

If it seems the EU referendum debate just involves two politicians shouting contradictory statistics at each other - then we are here to help. In this programme, Tim Harford gives you a break from the politicians and picks through the statistical crime scene of the debate looking for the truth. Bracing concept, isn't it? He'll be looking at all of the big questions - the cost of the EU, immigration, lawmaking, regulations and trade.
Click to expand...

I listened to the second half in the normal more or less podcast (just catching up on the rest).

I highly recommend that people listen to this, not because it's pro EU or pro Brexit, but because it looks at the data for the claims from both campaigns and gives the facts in context. And when I say facts, I don't mean pseudo propaganda as many people seem to be suggesting here.
 
Six6siX said:
I didn't mention stopping it, I said reducing it - which is what everyone goes on about. I suggest that the government will not reduce the figures for immigration in a way that people think because the country gets a lot of income from them.

There's a reason that immigration hasn't been reduced in line with the government's promises - to do so would be really quite bad for the economy and to think that any changes to this stance would come about if we left the EU is relying (again) on our own government to take a significant loss of income.

There has to be a balance - if you got 50000 qualified nurses instead of 50000 farm hands, who is going to do the job of the farm hands?



Vast majority? It's a generalised view. There are quite a few studies on the impact to the economy that suggest that this is the case.

It really is down to our own failure of successive governments to use what resources we have more efficiently - and it always has been. For the argument of economy and public services, immigration is neither here nor there in my opinion.
Click to expand...

That is where the control comes in if you only need 50000 farm hands why allow 100000 of them to come from the EU? Simplistic view of it I know but very few of the economic migrants from the EU are coming here because they have a job, they are coming here to try to get one, and if there isn't one for them, what then? Cameron's deal to send them home after 4 months or whatever isn't in force yet.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I listened to the second half in the normal more or less podcast (just catching up on the rest).

I highly recommend that people listen to this, not because it's pro EU or pro Brexit, but because it looks at the data for the claims from both campaigns and gives the facts in context. And when I say facts, I don't mean pseudo propaganda as many people seem to be suggesting here.
Click to expand...

Keeping in mind that the author is a Remain supporter ;)
 
FirebarUK said:
Keeping in mind that the author is a Remain supporter ;)
Click to expand...

That doesn't mean that he can't give a unbiased academic assessment of the data.

It's also interesting to have a more nuanced set of opinions on Brexit, with many leave campaigners giving a bit more detail on their views.
 
Last edited:
Metallifux said:
That is where the control comes in if you only need 50000 farm hands why allow 100000 of them to come from the EU? Simplistic view of it I know but very few of the economic migrants from the EU are coming here because they have a job, they are coming here to try to get one, and if there isn't one for them, what then? Cameron's deal to send them home after 4 months or whatever isn't in force yet.
Click to expand...

As things stand, EU citizens who come to the UK to find work cannot claim jobseeker's allowance during their first three months in the country.
After that they can claim for a total of 91 days, which can be split across several periods of jobseeking. They can continue claiming beyond that period if they can demonstrate that they are actively looking for a job and are likely to get it.
After a total of six months they can be removed if they still have not found a job, and have no realistic possibility of finding one, and require support from the welfare system.
These rules have been in place since early 2014, and are in line with existing EU legislation.
Click to expand...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36449974

Cameron's deal is supplementary to this and comes into force if we remain.

As I say, there is a very strong view that immigration is the cause of so many problems but it's largely from misinformation - the problem lies at home.
 
ReltonBFD said:
Sure, :p it's like listening to Experts you only agree with.
Click to expand...

The results of what claims are investigated don't always go against Brexit, sometimes the data supports the fact there are issues. I dont' think any remain supporters think the EU is perfect, and this highlights some of these issues.
 
Gigabit said:
But hold on the EU Commission can't implement laws without majority support from the EU Parliament. The commission only propose laws. The EU Parliament can too I think.
Click to expand...

Trifid said:
The EU is the other way round from the UK government. The elected house of commons propose and write laws and then vote on it. The lords then rubber stamp it. In the EU, the commission propose and write laws and the elected parliament rubber stamp it. The difference is how much control the people of Europe have to influence the direction Europe takes.
Click to expand...

"
The Commission has a virtual monopoly on the introduction of legislation into the legislative process, a power which gives the Commission considerable influence as an agenda setter for the EU as a whole.[1] And while the Commission frequently introduces legislation at the behest of the Council or upon the suggestion of Parliament, what form any legislative proposals introduced take is up to the Commission.

Under the ordinary legislative procedure (see below), the negative opinion from the Commission also forces the Council to vote by unanimity rather than majority.[2] There are also limited instances where the Commission can adopt legislation on its own initiative
"
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The results of what claims are investigated don't always go against Brexit, sometimes the data supports the fact there are issues. I dont' think any remain supporters think the EU is perfect, and this highlights some of these issues.
Click to expand...

These issues will never be sorted, as the EU have shown they couldn't run a hot bath, so I assume your voting Leave.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom