I find Dan Hannan the most convincing politician for leave, and has plenty of other videos on his channel.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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I find Dan Hannan the most convincing politician for leave, and has plenty of other videos on his channel.
Yea, I don't think Phil675 had them in mind when he came up with his awesome solution!
lol @ Baroness Warsi switching from leave to remain, on the basis of all the nonsense, lies and xenophobia being thrown around by the leave side.
I find it pretty funny and ridiculous, how it's taken her all this time up until several days before the referendum until she finally sees reality for what it is.
I find it pretty funny and ridiculous, how it's taken her all this time up until several days before the referendum until she finally sees reality for what it is.
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But again he's talking about "unelected officials". It's so incredibly misleading.
Yes it's bizarre. Of course, the remain campaign have not thrown around any whoppers, either! What she really could have said to sound convincing was that she was abstaining thanks to the filthy campaigning by both sides.
I also find it odd to think that she is automatically associated with the likes of Farage for being on the Leave side. That's like saying I'm assoiated with the Ku Klux Klan for being white.
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Better trade deals which maximise corporate profits in the developed world at the expense of the developing world, whilst the majority of EU citizens continue to enjoy wage cuts (in real terms after inflation), stagnating living standards, and worse future prospects (EU youth unemployment is shocking) for their children regardless.
Woohoo!
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They aren't unelected, they're just not directly elected right? (they are elected by MEPs?)
The commissioners are appointed and then approved by MEPs.
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But this is what I'm saying. The Leave team says it's like a dictatorship. If we're going to talk about unelected officials we need to remove the House of Lords.
Precisely, he is talking about them being elected from a Brits POV.
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It's a bit like saying you didn't vote for the Civil Service. No you didn't but you trusted people to appoint others to implement the ideas you have.
I do agree with reform in the House of Lords but it's not quite the same system as the EU is it? The HoL does not instigate or propose legislation.
The president of the commission is chosen on the basis of which block gets the most MEPs in the EU parliament*. The rest of the commission is appointed by the democratically elected governments of each member state and then approved by the EU parliament which has the power to dismiss the commission if it chooses to do so.
* - this is de facto how it works but not de jure. de jure the EU council votes on the president by qualified majority "taking into account the makeup of the parliament" and the EU Parliament can then veto the choice.
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The House of Lords can delay a bill, they can't stop one as they can be overruled.
Brexit the movie is nothing more than a propaganda, don't watch it with the hope of being informed. I watched it, and reviewed it here.
Tony Benn's 5 questions to check if it is a democracy, which he believed the EU fails on.
“What power have you got?”
“Where did you get it from?”
“In whose interests do you use it?”
“To whom are you accountable?”
“How do we get rid of you?”
The EU is the other way round from the UK government. The elected house of commons propose and write laws and then vote on it. The lords then rubber stamp it. In the EU, the commission propose and write laws and the elected parliament rubber stamp it. The difference is how much control the people of Europe have to influence the direction Europe takes.
I didn't mention stopping it, I said reducing it - which is what everyone goes on about. I suggest that the government will not reduce the figures for immigration in a way that people think because the country gets a lot of income from them.
There's a reason that immigration hasn't been reduced in line with the government's promises - to do so would be really quite bad for the economy and to think that any changes to this stance would come about if we left the EU is relying (again) on our own government to take a significant loss of income.
There has to be a balance - if you got 50000 qualified nurses instead of 50000 farm hands, who is going to do the job of the farm hands?
Vast majority? It's a generalised view. There are quite a few studies on the impact to the economy that suggest that this is the case.
It really is down to our own failure of successive governments to use what resources we have more efficiently - and it always has been. For the argument of economy and public services, immigration is neither here nor there in my opinion.
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