Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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I'm still waiting for any Leaver on here to comment on Boris's announcement he is pro-immigration and proposes to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants who have evaded deportation for 12 years.

Deuse....anyone?

Amnesty after 12 years is hardly generous, so I don't see a big problem with it, don't we already have an amnesty time period?

I'm pro immigration too, by grandparents were immigrants and so is my GF. The point is we need the ability to decide numbers and dictate quality, so that we can plan for what we need and what we need to accommodate them.
 
Whatever pedantic detail you think you've picked up on, it still blows your argument that deporting criminals isn't anything to do with the EU.



Yawn - the same tired myths verbatim from the pro-EU campaign.

But what he said is actually true. Tell me one thing that anyone from the brit exit group have said that is true.
 
I'm still waiting for any Leaver on here to comment on Boris's announcement he is pro-immigration and proposes to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants who have evaded deportation for 12 years.

Deuse....anyone?
Controlled immigration, not throwing the doors open and hoping for the best. UK is in the position to be choosers, so why have the immigration policy of beggers?
 
I'm still waiting for any Leaver on here to comment on Boris's announcement he is pro-immigration and proposes to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants who have evaded deportation for 12 years.

Deuse....anyone?

I'm a leaver and have been since I could vote but I am pro immigration, I think it's great to have a rich and varied country where professionals from all over the world can come here and contribute and where we can source our shortages from 7billion people as the need arises.

I also am not entirely against an amnesty for illegal immigrants on a long timescale such as 12 years, provided it was significantly more difficult to arrive illegally. I'd need to see a fully thought out plan before I would be in favour or against.
 
Amnesty after 12 years is hardly generous, so I don't see a big problem with it, don't we already have an amnesty time period?

I'm pro immigration too, by grandparents were immigrants and so is my GF. The point is we need the ability to decide numbers and dictate quality, so that we can plan for what we need and what we need to accommodate them.

And in what way do you propose is the best solution for managing the numbers? dont say controlling our boarders - its a cop out meaning I have no god dam clue on how its going to be done.
 
Controlled immigration, not throwing the doors open and hoping for the best. UK is in the position to be choosers, so why have the immigration policy of beggers?

Why do you think a top-down, bureaucratic, centrally dictated approach is the best way of controlling the labour market?
 
Why do you think a top-down, bureaucratic, centrally dictated approach is the best way of controlling the labour market?

Surely you must accept that we shouldn't allow more people into the country than our infrastructure can service? On that basis alone we should only choose the cream - why would you want it to be otherwise?
 
At what cost though?

I've heard a lot of people say similar but when questioned as to the implications of 'gaining' this greater democracy, they don't seem to be concerned with the wider impact.

As you are interested in costs have you stopped to consider the costs that the Euro experiment has imposed on the EU? Are you quite happy with all that? Or, don't care? The lost decade plus of growth and the millions of jobs destroyed? Have you ever started to consider those costs? They are right there immediately in front of your nose, but for some reason that does not mean anything to some.
Fundamentally, this is due to anti-democratic structures upon which the EU is built. Democracy disciplines the political class, and allows bad policy makers to be thrown out. Lets say the EU had EU-wide political parties: The one that imposed the Euro would have been thrown out of office ages ago. But none of that is possible, as the EU is not a democracy. And, you seem quite happy with this?
You seem keen to vote against more democracy, and side with an unelected and unaccountable system. That's a sad argument to put forward.

Can you give me a clear indication of the costs of remaining in the EU? You might well have no idea at all. By costs I don't just mean economic but democratic too. To reduce the EU down to economics is naive, as it's fundamentally about politics.

The economic cost of leaving the EU is likely to be short-term reduction to UK growth (but not a recession). The degree to which is unclear, because in the event of a vote to leave, UK policy makers will behave differently to how they are now.
There is no democratic costs to the UK of leaving the EU. There is nothing but gain: We gain in that leaving the EU will strengthen our democracy, and the people have greater control over our elected representatives.

History indicates that a stronger democracy is good for economic growth.
 
Points based system like majority of leavers have wanted for years.

We already have a points based immigration system for non eu immigrants which people like micheal grove and boris johnson were strongly opposed to when the then labour government introduced it. They said it would increase the numbers coming to the UK which it has.
 
Whilst 'uncontrolled' immigration may be a concern, leaving the EU only addresses that at the expense of a lot of other things. It's the wrong approach.
 
Tries to take a dig at leavers about immigration, leavers say 'we don't care, we're immigrants anyway'
:D

Yea, I do find that quite ironic :D

And also, with this points based immigration system, I keep hearing that will increase immigration numbers....is that 'true'? And if so, it hardly seems the solution to control numbers (and by control the general meaning is reduce)
 
We already have a points based immigration system for non eu immigrants which people like micheal grove and boris johnson were strongly opposed to when the then labour government introduced it. They said it would increase the numbers coming to the UK which it has.

Clearly the system needs to be modified - That's the benefit with a points based system you can change it regularly to get the numbers needed and the skills needed. Obviously introducing this to the EU populace as well will reduce the numbers straight away.
 
We already have a points based immigration system for non eu immigrants which people like micheal grove and boris johnson were strongly opposed to when the then labour government introduced it. They said it would increase the numbers coming to the UK which it has.

Shirely - having the system in place just means that in future the number of points required can be amended to allow more or less people in? Its not the system at fault here its the people setting the limits
 
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