Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Freakbro said:
I'm still waiting for any Leaver on here to comment on Boris's announcement he is pro-immigration and proposes to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants who have evaded deportation for 12 years.

Deuse....anyone?
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I think im more impressed Bojo managed to use the word "net" in an economics figure....
 
Tunney said:
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Looks like England and Wales might be forced to stay in the EU against their will. If that turns out to be the case I want another referendum for E&W to leave the UK (and the EU) :p
 
Freakbro said:
I'm still waiting for any Leaver on here to comment on Boris's announcement he is pro-immigration and proposes to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants who have evaded deportation for 12 years.

Deuse....anyone?
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Better they are made legal, given an NI number than I presume being exploited by unscrupulous employers. Leave are pro immigration, but the kind of immigration we need, and not the kind we don't need, you know like Australia ;) :D
 
scorza said:
Looks like England and Wales might be forced to stay in the EU against their will. If that turns out to be the case I want another referendum for E&W to leave the UK (and the EU) :p
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Scotts would absolutely love that. They would encourage all the businesses that use the UK as a gateway to the EU to move there, as well as all the eu foreign students and researchers.
 
jimjamuk said:
Shirely - having the system in place just means that in future the number of points required can be amended to allow more or less people in? Its not the system at fault here its the people setting the limits
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You clearly have no idea:

Even migrationwatchuk are strongly opposed to point based systems.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/346

14.1 An attempt at a PBS system in the UK has already been found ineffective as a means of limiting immigration and, in practice, the coalition government have been moving away from it for four years.

14.2 The situation in Australia is quite different. Both the Australian Government and the main opposition party pursue a policy of population growth in part supported by immigration. Though their system includes caps, these can be and are set at high levels. Proportionately to their population, Australia has a level of net migration three times higher than the UK.

14.3 There are also other stark differences. Australia operates a Universal Visa system, which means all non-citizens require a valid visa both to enter Australia and remain. This is markedly different to the UK, where the 500 million citizens of the EU have free movement to and from the UK. Furthermore, while Australia has some low skilled migration routes, most work migration is skilled, whereas a much larger component of economic migration to the UK is low skilled (mainly coming from the EU.)

14.4 The Australian system is highly regarded because the Australians can identify and accurately record those who arrive and depart and they have achieved effective control of their borders. Neither depends on their Points Based System. These are, of course, important objectives for the UK but we face very different geographical and political circumstances.

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Tenuous said:
Latest poll news ... Cats would vote to leave EU and then refuse to go out
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Britain’s cats would vote to leave the EU but refuse to go out once the door was opened, they have announced.

Despite yowling desperately to be let out, they would take one look at the climate on the other side of the door before silently returning to the settee and licking themselves.

Attempts to force them through the door would be met by either entirely fake affection and purring or psychotic rage, pretty much at random.

Cats went on to reserve the right to keep asking to leave the EU every so often so they could take a look outside and see if it smelled interesting.
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Freakbro said:
Yea, I do find that quite ironic :D

And also, with this points based immigration system, I keep hearing that will increase immigration numbers....is that 'true'? And if so, it hardly seems the solution to control numbers (and by control the general meaning is reduce)
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I think you mean "restrict" they have separate meanings. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
itchy said:
How on earth can you trust a single persons view no matter what his educational qualifications are? :confused:

I look at many facets of everyone and then make an informed personal choice.

You have to look at the big picture not the small print. ;)
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I'm talking to you aren't I?
So that's two people's opinions right there, isn't it?

Informed personal choice indeed, I can see why you might be confused. You've spent so much time informing yourself you forgot to reign in your ego :).
 
boohoo for migrationwatchuk

The points system works well enough for AUS to support their population growth why does that mean its not good enough to support our population growth. so what if the government has been moving away from it. If we are to leave the EU then it'll evolve to be our main basis of migration into the UK

Also whats with the "You clearly have no idea" - frankly rude and unless you are a professor of immigration or something similar you are just a selective Internet cut and paster
 
Metallifux said:
Better they are made legal, given an NI number than I presume being exploited by unscrupulous employers.
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I thought the general consensus by everyone was it's better if they didn't get here in the first place ;)

Leave are pro immigration
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As a generalised statement I find that hard to believe

but the kind of immigration we need, and not the kind we don't need, you know like Australia ;) :D
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But I keep hearing that if we had an Australian system, immigration would go up?

I can see how it would be quite difficult to tailor the point system to such a way to only get the numbers we wanted, as we have no idea how many people out there would pass any set criteria.

I'm not just criticising it for the sake of it, I'm generally confused over this issue by the opposing information as usual
 
jimjamuk said:
Also whats with the "You clearly have no idea" - frankly rude and unless you are a professor of immigration or something similar you are just a selective Internet cut and paster
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But if he was a professor of immigration, the Leavers wouldn't listen to him either and just shout "EU SHILL!!!111!!" :p
 
{T5K}TT said:
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"We can't control EU immigration in the way we do non-EU immigration so I'm going to argue that the entire EU is undemocratic and vote to leave despite any other impact"

:p

Seriously though, our government already has control over pretty much everything in this country and anything that is set at EU level is more often than not based on British law or set in our own laws postdate. If you believe that giving our government complete control is going to result in anything being different democratically, I'd say that is a misappropriation of the influence the EU has. Our government are accountable and create their own problems - they just have a history of blaming the EU for them.

The EU isn't perfect by any stretch but it is an external influence with a lot of other, non-political benefits and why people believe that making our government solely accountable by removing that influence (and the benefits that we enjoy that go with it) will make a blind jot of difference to the way they conduct things is a mystery to me.
 
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