Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Zethor said:
You confuse Nationalism with Patriotism, there's a big difference between them. An important characteristic of Nationalism is the superiority of your nation, compared to others. This is why Nationalists can't swallow the idea that an English vote is equal to the Polish vote. Patriotism is a passive expression of love/devotion for a country, it always focus on the country itself, never other countries.

In short, a Nationalist will paint the American flag on the door of a Mexican restaurant while a Patriot will paint it on his house/business or carry it to the stadium.
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Did you just make that up on the spot or do you have a source for that?
 
StriderX said:
Here's one for Zethor, Scottish Nationalism doesnt fit your bill really now does it?
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Hey, we're all bigots painting Scottish flags on English restaurant doors.

Zethor said:
The definition of Patriotism is correct the EU thing is an example of nationalist ideas, the Mexican thing is an example of nationalist behaviour.
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Well, no it's not correct. You've fallen into the trap that remainers/pro-unionists or whoever try and use and that's to try and brand the opposition as all being bigots for being nationalist.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Wow,Hes so full of crap seriously,Our PM has absolutely no trust in our country outside of the EU,He really does underestimate the UK...sooner were out the EU and his time is done the better.
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I hope but I cannot see it. Still a long way to go to strike the country down with so much fear. I hope I'm proven wrong but people hate change.
 
Finally got a piece of Leave literature through my door. Seems to come from Gerard Batten MEP of UKIP.

It reads like the very worst of this thread. It bangs on about immigration from Africa and the certainty of an EU army. :o I can't imagine the leaflet swayed too many people, especially where I live.
 
Gilly said:
...and labour weren't chosen. What is your point?
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That it was his choice it was an election stunt. T claim he has no responsibility for the vote when it was him who out it into law that the next conservative government would have one is a little off.
 
I had a chat with some Vote Leave and UKIP members in town today, it was really worrying just how little they knew about some of the claims they made.

One guy wanted to leave the EU becasue cars now have daylight running lamps.

Another man claimed EU fishing rules which preserved fish stocks was a bad thing, he them started banging on about Spanish boats entering UK waters, I pointed out British boats and enter Spanish waters, his response, "And?"
 
Zethor said:
Correct. I'm not even a huge EU fan, I believe all advanced democracies should amplify the integration and cooperation processes and they should use their influence to guide the rest of the countries in a similar direction.
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But why does that need the EU?

We could set up a much better group for that.

Also you basicaly just described an empire.

"We need to "guide" the stupid countries round to iur correct way of thinking".


Its that kind of talk that leads to concentration reeducation camps.


All of your arguments basicsly seem to be some form of ruling elite needs to guide the poor stupid masses from an individual level right up to a national level.
 
Zethor said:
As for the EU, it's a club, you obey the rules while you're in it and you can leave at any given time. No connection whatsoever to Imperialism and you should probably read up on it as well.
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But you've repeatedly said that this "club" would punish anyone who left.

Thats not a club then thats a protection racket.
 
I'm going to post this as its either been a long time or hasn't been discussed at all.

European Act 2011

Treaties amending or replacing TEU or TFEU

(1)A treaty which amends or replaces TEU or TFEU is not to be ratified unless—

(a)a statement relating to the treaty was laid before Parliament in accordance with section 5,

(b)the treaty is approved by Act of Parliament, and

(c)the referendum condition or the exemption condition is met.
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In particular ill highlight the main bit,

(b)the treaty is approved by Act of Parliament, and

(c)the referendum condition or the exemption condition is met.
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So every single time the EU changes its fundamental acts, we must have a referendum every single time. (unless we're exempt, but then it just means we stagnate forever)

So in effect, unless we want to be annoyed constantly, this is the status of remaining.

I also need not remind everyone how dispassionate Mr Cameron was with the EU prior to the 2010 election.
 
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