what you want them to do? keep repeating the same stuff from the leave campaign. the reason it looks "biased" is the vast majority of professional from basically every discipline are saying remain is the only sensible outcome.
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what you want them to do? keep repeating the same stuff from the leave campaign. the reason it looks "biased" is the vast majority of professional from basically every discipline are saying remain is the only sensible outcome.
I wish I knew enough about this to feel confident in my decision. The way I see it now is this:
Leave: no big payments to EU, control over our own legislation (with all the drawbacks that could include as well as positives) lose the single market, but this could be mitigated by trade agreements. Not sure to what extent though.
Stay : retain access to single market and its benefits, no significant economic disruption, retain influence in the EU, still stuck with EU mandates and free immigration.
Not sure which side offers the best deal tbh. Economic stability and growth is my major concern, so leaving seems like it has a bigger risk reward, whereas staying is low reward, but low risk as well
Leave: no big payments to EU, control over our own legislation (with all the drawbacks that could include as well as positives) lose the single market, but this could be mitigated by trade agreements. Not sure to what extent though.
Stay : retain access to single market and its benefits, no significant economic disruption, retain influence in the EU, still stuck with EU mandates and free immigration.
Not sure which side offers the best deal tbh. Economic stability and growth is my major concern, so leaving seems like it has a bigger risk reward, whereas staying is low reward, but low risk as well
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Wow, there are people who still think the crime and rape tsunami working its way across Europe are poor traumatised refugees? That’s some weapons-grade naivety!
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Remaining might seem advantageous today. But just think how bad the EU will get in the coming years. If we don't get out now there is no way to stop that dictatorship juggernaut.
Don't just vote for what it looks like now. Please think about the future outlook.
Don't just vote for what it looks like now. Please think about the future outlook.
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You also need to somehow weigh up the likely hood of some of the positives/negatives on the even of leaving/staying.
People include Turkey as a huge negative to stay but what is the likely hood they will join soon? Who can say, i doubt it will be within the next decade but my opinion on the issue matters as mucha s next mans.
Free movement/legislation control - Even if we leave the control we have for movement and legislation will be dependant on what we negotiate. If we end up leaving and strike deals to get things like free trade, we will end up with free movement too and not much changes, if this is the result of leaving, then all that it hass accomplished is that we have lessened our control within the EU.
People include Turkey as a huge negative to stay but what is the likely hood they will join soon? Who can say, i doubt it will be within the next decade but my opinion on the issue matters as mucha s next mans.
Free movement/legislation control - Even if we leave the control we have for movement and legislation will be dependant on what we negotiate. If we end up leaving and strike deals to get things like free trade, we will end up with free movement too and not much changes, if this is the result of leaving, then all that it hass accomplished is that we have lessened our control within the EU.
So Cameron saying leaving is like putting a bomb under our economy, what's with all the doom mongering still.
As the PM why could Dave have not remained neutral and given reasoned debates/ideas both for and against leaving?
As the PM why could Dave have not remained neutral and given reasoned debates/ideas both for and against leaving?
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Cameron was in them not that long ago, he seemed happy with the way the UK's money was being spent, no sense of failure.
My feeling now is that as a voter you can't actually win. Both options mean the country loses out in one way or another.
I think a lot of people see the leave vote as a protest vote against the way the EU is heading but given a reformed EU they would take that option.
I think a lot of people see the leave vote as a protest vote against the way the EU is heading but given a reformed EU they would take that option.
WOW. Considering that Leave campaign can't even tell us what UK will look like post exit that's quite a prediction to claim EU will turn into some scary juggernaut.
It's almost as bad as if I said that post exit, Boris will appoint him self as holy emperor and will rule till his death.
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The same old right wing carp they have moaned about since the 70's. If you look at who is in charge and look at the presenters, especially political shows they are right wing or ex Murdoch people. Didn't Paxo try to become a Tory Mp last time? The BBC represents the establishment and always has done.
You still reading the MSM? You've only got to search incidents. I'll give you one: A shop owner in a small village in Austria had his store robbed repeatedly by migrants. He was told to keep an itinerary and bill the local party.
Don't forget the media misrepresent things too eg the migrant on the railway tracks. I was reading about the truth of migrant violence weeks before the media dared or rather came under such pressure over here.
The same way that anonymous organized substantially large protests at BBC HQs and not a sniff. The huge protest that took place after the GE that received iirc 60seconds of coverage, the HSBC non reporting, the non reporting on the #ToryElectionFraud.
I could go on but it appears another poster happy to allow the media to think for him and he follows.
Sums it up for me now.
My heart says leave but I'm starting to buy in to the scaremongering now, simply because the leave campaign really hasn't said what happens AFTER the vote if we do leave, more just what happens if we stay. But then the stay campaign just seems to be all about scare tactics as opposed to any real solid argument
So I think I'm going to have to vote with my heart as opposed to my head on the 23rd, which isn't really how it should be
The problem is that the PM keeps saying a "reformed EU" but it has shown little appetite to reform. Even his deal I am sure most who are going to vote Remain will concede isn't much.
If you look at the "agreements" he does have i.e. not part of the ever closer union.
Then if you accept that as true (i.e. we will not be part of the ever closer union) then it follows that this will actually further reduce what influence we do have in the EU.
If you look at the "agreements" he does have i.e. not part of the ever closer union.
Then if you accept that as true (i.e. we will not be part of the ever closer union) then it follows that this will actually further reduce what influence we do have in the EU.
Amen to that. I don't trust the KCNA UK branch any further than I could throw it.
Even the Government are Murdoch people too. You would be shocked at how many people go to press events specifically for Murdoch. We have foreign governments intercepting our autonomy and I don't mean just the EU. Remember when William Hague went to the US Embassy and asked how the US administration could support getting the Tories back into power?
My own MP is a slimeball in that regard meeting people for lunch and discussing political affiliation that gets recorded.
Something has gone very wrong, very fast with this system.
I was watching something on TTiP the other day by my favorite guy Julian Assange and a few others who spelled out what TTIP actually is about and its not been mentioned at all yet. Now I know
and I don't agree with it.Good video, well put together, shame Gordon didn't talk like that when he was PM.
Coventry is politically on the left side of the labour party, I remember my dad voting for Dave Nellist quite passionately, even after new labour kicked him out for being genuinely left wing, and a good amount of the city did the same.
People like Nellist, and much of Coventry hold the same opinions on the EU as he does, following the arguments of Tony Benn. Pro workers rights, yes, but also pro democracy, which means anti-EU.
Yes, we were hit extremely hard by the war, forming the word coventrate in the process, but we were also hit extremely hard by the collapse of manufacturing in the 70's (which was a mixture of Thatcherite politics, and the effects of joining the common market), and have only really started to recover in the last decade or two.
The recovery has mainly been due to the rapid growth of our two universities, and the success of JLR. These have grown because of trade and investment with the rest of the world, the EU has done next to nothing.
Warwick and Coventry university are truly international, attracting great numbers of investment, research talent, and students from around the world, mainly China and India.
JLR was one of the great British companies to be failed by the UK and the EU in the 70's, and was then bought by an American company, and now an Indian company. These two turned it around and modernised it, and it is now phenomenally successful, with its most important markets being China, India, Saudi Arabia, and the USA.
The people of Coventry remember the history of the city better than Gordon does, and know that it's labour politicians have argued against the EU for decades. They know that the recovery of the city has been due almost entirely to trade and investment with the rest of the world.
Most of them, will be voting to leave.
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If we remain in the EU, when can we expect to have trade deals with the USA, China, India, Australia, Brazil and more?
Why are the EU being so slow to move forward with this? It is potentially costing the European economy billions.
Why are the EU being so slow to move forward with this? It is potentially costing the European economy billions.
Sums it up for me now.
My heart says leave but I'm starting to buy in to the scaremongering now, simply because the leave campaign really hasn't said what happens AFTER the vote if we do leave, more just what happens if we stay. But then the stay campaign just seems to be all about scare tactics as opposed to any real solid argument
So I think I'm going to have to vote with my heart as opposed to my head on the 23rd, which isn't really how it should be
To be fair to Vote Leave, the reason why they haven't said what happens AFTER the vote is because isn't up to them - they're campaigning to Leave the EU, not as an alternative government. They've also been denied access to the civil service, which the pro-EU camp haven't, which kinda makes economic planning difficult. Politicians don't, and shouldn't do economic planning.
We need to have trust, not in the politicians of either side, but in the intellect, energy and resilience of the British people to ensure we'll have a strong, healthy economy if we Leave the EU.
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