Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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StriderX said:
So only people with money should get a say then?
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Council made up of educators, economists, representatives of different industries and such would be more appropriate.

How would we choose them?

Well, there is no reason why individual votes cannot be cast within those industries. You think it will turn out the same? not at all, as it will let experts represent their industries view rather than have people make decisions outside of their expertise.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
No i am not a libdem, i am saying that you dont understand democracy if you think not voting for someone because they cant win is clever. Dont you realise this referendum is only happening because people voted for UKIP, a party that was without doubt going to lose the last election but because of it, politicians from conservative party saw a load of voters they could cater to.

As for democracy, here are my priorities:

1. Being safe and economically stable
2. letting my niece and nephew have a good nutritious dinner
3. letting everyone feel like they had their say in a big important decision they dont actually understand.

Democracy is a method to choose a solution but it certainly does not encourage the best solution, just the one most people think is best. In this case, most people have absolutely no clue on what is best. Brexiters are voting with their pride and remainers are voting with fear.
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You think being in the eu will give you that.

ISS are all over eu just waiting to bomb everywhere & anywhere. I don't call that being safe. The eu is far from being a safe place.

Our economy will be ruined when you vote to stay cause the eu will make sure we suffer for daring to have a vote & when all those migrants get here we will be knackered & it'll be too late for you to whine about it then.
 
Being outside the EU doesnt mean jack to ISS, you are deluded if you think any different. Tell me EXACTLY how you think we will prevent these terrorists by leaving? none of this MOAR BORDER GUNZ crap

The EU is not a big bad monster which punishes its members, its time to put that bedtime horror story to rest. It will however make examples of those who leave to make it seem less appealing to have a referendum and therefore save itself.

It may even try to appease the UK more when they see how close we came to go if we stay.


It is exactly your paranoid thinking which reinforces my view that a room of level heads would have made for better voters than a country of the fearful and the angry.
 
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IN, simply because of the fear of the unknown. There just seems to be much media and hype around it all it's causing confusion for a lot of people. It does appear that if the result is OUT and the UK leaves the EU there will be a lot of policies to change. That may be a big disaster for the UK and a big learning curve for people.

Take a look at all these policies in place currently that helps the UK, and believe me the documents are practically endless!

http://ec.europa.eu/policies/index_en.htm

I also think that the saving from leaving won't be passed on to the poor-middle class of people thats for sure. It will stop at the top and the gap will get even bigger anyway.
 
I cannot decide.

I just think there is so much misinformation from both sides I simply cannot find decent, reliable, tangible information and facts that will allow me to make an informed decision.

It's now turned into a shouting match from both sides completely taking things out of proportion.
 
DiscoDave said:
I cannot decide.

I just think there is so much misinformation from both sides I simply cannot find decent, reliable, tangible information and facts that will allow me to make an informed decision.

It's now turned into a shouting match from both sides completely taking things out of proportion.
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Careful, you will break the KitKats Law!

kitkat2015 said:
Undecided is a chicken way out. Like being a libdem.

Everyone should be made by law to vote in this referendum.
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But then again, KitKats are made to be broken ;)
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Council made up of educators, economists, representatives of different industries and such would be more appropriate.
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That would be a nightmare to present, and allow adequate representation of all sectors from small business to multinationals, economists differ widely, which to choose? Professors and teachers tend to represent their own discipline well but others? How about trade organisations, unions etc.? Representing women proportionately, age groups, ethnicity, the list goes on. It would be like the Chinese General Assembly and still would not be representative.

Better to let all who are interested to have their say, and rue the decision if they do not. There is a responsibility to living in a representative democracy and that is at the end you have to decide who does represent you.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Being outside the EU doesnt mean jack to ISS, you are deluded if you think any different. Tell me EXACTLY how you think we will prevent these terrorists by leaving? none of this MOAR BORDER GUNZ crap

The EU is not a big bad monster which punishes its members, its time to put that bedtime horror story to rest. It will however make examples of those who leave to make it seem less appealing to have a referendum and therefore save itself.

It may even try to appease the UK more when they see how close we came to go if we stay.


It is exactly your paranoid thinking which reinforces my view that a room of level heads would have made for better voters than a country of the fearful and the angry.
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The eu is a big bad monster, look at the mess its in. It'll soon be over run with migrants. Your deluded to think any different.

Vote IN & it's the end of the UK.
 
RaohNS said:
Cab someone do a graph for how many time the same arguments have been repeated in this thread vs how much new stuff there is?
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If you were to do it as a pie chart I reckon you'd have about 80% as exactly the same arguments repeated, 15% as slightly rehashed versions of the same arguments and a very generous 5% of new material per thread.
 
I don't understand why we are desperate to shackle ourselves to the worst performing large economy in the developed world, one that bangs on about trade agreements yet has failed to negotiate a trade agreement with China and the US. The US, remember is the one that we'll be at the back of the queue to negotiate a trade deal with (if you listen to Obama, Trump is a different matter). Well, the EU has been at the front of the queue for 10 years and where are we? In that time have we failed to trade with the US.


So the EU might not be so keen to trade with us on decent terms afterwards, well considering that we are by far a net importer from them, I'm not sure why. We are the second biggest market for the German car industry in the world. Can't see them (the Germans that is) making that too difficult for us.

With free movement of labour, we encourage people to migrate to where the grass is greener and with the second strongest economy in Europe and the fifth largest in the world, it is stronger here than nearly everywhere else in Europe. 450 million people can come here if they choose and we have no power to stop them, yet we still have to house, educate and treat them if they are ill. We have to send child support to their children wherever they live. They will keep coming so long as the grass is greener until our public services are so overstretched the grass will end up less green and the standard of living is the same across Europe. Since it started off better here, it can only go downwards to meet the average, meaning we lose out.


But, my biggest concern is Turkey.


Watch Nigel Farage's speech in the EU parliament about Turkey joining. It sums up the position far better than I could. 75 million people in a country, that is over 90% outside of the geographical boundary of Europe, where 8% of people openly support Isis, that allows passage of Isis through its borders and unofficially buys Isis oil and where the GDP is less than half that of the lowest GDP of any current European state. Yet their membership into the EU is being fast tracked and we are already discussing allowing open visas into Europe for Turkish nationals.
 
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The world needs to stabilise not crash. Leaving will certainly IMO cause things to crash as there will be that much activity happening around the world.

One thing the EU tries to protect is wars due to 'negations'. Something that coming out may cause in the end.

I just have this funny feeling that moving out is going to cause absolute mayhem.
 
kitkat2015 said:
The eu is a big bad monster, look at the mess its in.
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It's not perfect, but then neither is the UK.

kitkat2015 said:
It'll soon be over run with migrants. Your deluded to think any different.
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Immigrants again. Sounds like immigration is the only reason you want to leave. You mention it in pretty much every post. I hope you realise there is far more to the issue than just controlling immigration...?

kitkat2015 said:
Vote IN & it's the end of the UK.
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How so? Wait, let me guess - immigrants?
 
kitkat2015 said:
You think being in the eu will give you that.

ISS are all over eu just waiting to bomb everywhere & anywhere. I don't call that being safe. The eu is far from being a safe place.

Our economy will be ruined when you vote to stay cause the eu will make sure we suffer for daring to have a vote & when all those migrants get here we will be knackered & it'll be too late for you to whine about it then.
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The illegal immigrants were let in so gladio gangs can let rip and death squad leftists and anti nato factions with isis to blame and the lame stream press to bang the nato drum.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I don't understand why we are desperate to shackle ourselves to the worst performing large economy...
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The one that outperformed the UK and the US in the latest GDP growth figures? That one. There's a lot of nonsense talked about Europe in this debate, as if the last five years accurately represent the economic entire fate of a continent. Our economy has historically followed similar trends to the core EU countries and it is likely to continue to do so. The reasons behind that trend are independent of the EU and will continue whether we stay or go.
 
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