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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)
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Agree.
From what I've seen the Brexiteers are the ones focusing on the positives, the stay campaign don't have that many positives so tend to revert to the negatives or fear mongering.
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So blind optimism vs known and experienced pro's and cons?
Many of the positives of leaving are not blind, they are facts, like being able to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world, cutting red tape for UK businesses, revoking the Common Fisheries Policy which UK fisherman despise etc etc.
Just because we've lived with the status quo doesn't mean we can't challenge it.
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You are blind to the terms of the negotiations. You are blind to the conditions of the trade deals. As for red tape for businesses, much of the red tape is introduced for the benefit of ALL consumers regardless of where they are.
Optimism and naivety is what i see.
Optimism and naivety is what i see.
Do you work for a sector that benefits from EU funding by any chance?
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Do you have any inkling of what we might be able to negotiate in terms of trade deals and immigration or is it just 'better than what we got probably'?
If not, then you can correct your 'we got facts' statement to 'we got hope'
Relevance?
Are you assuming i am a wealthy businessman benefiting from the hiring of cheap hard working labour from overseas?
If not, then you can correct your 'we got facts' statement to 'we got hope'
Relevance?
Are you assuming i am a wealthy businessman benefiting from the hiring of cheap hard working labour from overseas?
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I bet you don't have too many problems with immigration in Surrey, given it's one of the most expensive places to live in the country. Of course it's easy for you to be pro Remain when you've literally suffered none of the effects of mass immigration
Huh? At the moment we are beholden to EU trade deals, whether we like them or not. If we are not in the EU we can negotiate our own trade deals.
On red tape, I really have no idea how red tape helps consumers. Everyone knows the EU massively burdens business, that's why the UK Government (and Germany and France) are calling on them to reduce it as per here.
Most businesses in the UK want out, it's only the biggest that want to stay, and that's partly because they know wages will go up if we leave. The head of the remain campaign has admitted wages for UK workers will go up if we leave.
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So yes, all you have is hope as far as negotiations go.
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13.3% of all migrants live in the south-east (excluding London). That compares to 7.6% in north-west England and only 1.6% in north-east England.
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Mustn't upset the
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What exactly do you think is likely to happen as far as immigration is gonna go?
Surely you don't think we will go out and in 5 years, every migrant below 30k per anum will no longer be here.
Even if we leave the EU, we will cater for the current migrants and we will still let in people who apply and follow the correct procedure. Economical migrants who do not fill the criteria will go here on holiday and stick around without making too much noise until they can apply for residency a handful of years later like the many economic migrants we get from outside the EU.
Surely you don't think we will go out and in 5 years, every migrant below 30k per anum will no longer be here.
Even if we leave the EU, we will cater for the current migrants and we will still let in people who apply and follow the correct procedure. Economical migrants who do not fill the criteria will go here on holiday and stick around without making too much noise until they can apply for residency a handful of years later like the many economic migrants we get from outside the EU.
Heh, just read a good comment in an article talking about "project fear" and how it all panned out with the Scottish referendum
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really? "known"?
I would not say the future course of the EU is a "known".
its already radically different to how it was when we entered, who knows where it will be in another 30 years.
Yes, really
As you can of course extrapolate from the known course of the recent past to what will happen in the immediate future if you keep the status quo, you have nothing to base that on if you leave.
Of course, the further you go into the future the less accurate any extrapolation will be.
I do agree with you though, this has just turned into an ideological decision, so the debate on what if's is largely redundant, because no matter what happens, things will just work.
We may be better or worse off, no one knows, but it's not going to be apocalyptic either way.
And to Roar87 my closest town is one that just received the dubious infamy of being the murder capital of the uk thanks to eastern European immigration and I'm still an in voter
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ok, so two events for you to predict.
will the uk join the Euro
will turkey join the EU.
Not in any current time frame and unlikely to in the long term unless it was ever thought to be financially advantageous.
Again, not in the short term, long term...It looks like that's what they are working towards
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Define short term, long term and current time frame.
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