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Aye we'd almost secured domestic security from terrorism groups.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
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Nothing to see here.So none that you can name
Yes, exactly. So why are you scaremongering about Turkish immigrants being a terrorist threat when the reality is that most terrorist attacks carried out in this country are carried out by homegrown terrorists?
Also, let's get this in perspective: Islamic terror is simply not a big threat in Europe. This country faced far greater threat from Irish terrorism and we were far less hysterical about. The reality is that terrorism has gone down not up:
2 of the attackers in Paris had come through Greece from Turkey. My entire point was though that Turkey has a lot of other issues with crime, corruption and sexist attitudes that you can't just ignore. Turkey will be an EU member one day, even if it's 20 years from now, and none of it's current problems will have gone away
On the subject of international terrorism though, how many attacks have been foiled I wonder?
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Same here , everyone I know is voting out, are any of the national newspaper polls showing genuine results I wonder?
This forum is populated by all age groups from teenagers to pensioners & I come under the latter, and yet the leave vote is storming ahead further with each monthly vote so how can we trust any of the other polls that all apparently show remainers in the lead
Same here , everyone I know is voting out, are any of the national newspaper polls showing genuine results I wonder?
This forum is populated by all age groups from teenagers to pensioners & I come under the latter, and yet the leave vote is storming ahead further with each monthly vote so how can we trust any of the other polls that all apparently show remainers in the lead
Bookies have Brexit down at 20%. Keep dreaming.
how can we trust any of the other polls that all apparently show remainers in the lead
It depends on so many things, a poll consisting of people working in central London or students will probably get a lot more remains than a village in Kent.
On a side note the only person I've talked to that says remain was a photographer, their only reason being they travel a lot
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Bookies have Brexit down at 20%. Keep dreaming.
What do you think they based their odds on other than unreliable newspaper polls ?
Exactly.
My previous post was pointing out the hypocrisy of the leave side calling remain "Project fear" when both sides can be as bad as each other, and the media even worse - making potentially positive messages into negative ones.
An example of the above being the recent report about scientific funding. Positive message - EU gives X Billion to UK scientific research. Negative message by many media outlets - Britain could lose X Billion in scientific funding if it leaves.
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Bookies have Brexit down at 20%. Keep dreaming.
Remind me, what odds did the bookies give Leicester again?
A victory for Remain is far from the sure thing I'd like it be. More likely than not, I'd think, but there is time for it to swing either way.
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Bookies had Leicester down at 5000-1 to win the league. Bookies odds aren't the odds of something happening by the way either, it's a risk balance based on the money being spent on the two options - they want to minimise their payout in the event of the winning outcome being the most backed by punters.Bookies have Brexit down at 20%. Keep dreaming.
I'd assume that in 10-20 years time Syria would be a very different place, and the refugee crisis coming from Syria would be at a very different stage... Why are you projecting what is happening today on something that may or may not happen in a couple of decades?
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I'm the most undecided on this vote as I ever have been on a public vote. Like many, there's just not enough of an argument either way.
My heart says out, my head says better the devil you know, remain in
My heart says out, my head says better the devil you know, remain in
Same here , everyone I know is voting out, are any of the national newspaper polls showing genuine results I wonder?
This forum is populated by all age groups from teenagers to pensioners & I come under the latter, and yet the leave vote is storming ahead further with each monthly vote so how can we trust any of the other polls that all apparently show remainers in the lead
It's called social circles. One of the reasons anecdotal evidence is so unreliable. You associate and speak with people in similar circles and generally with similar viewpoints. many people on the remain side will have a similar feeling about leave voters, being surrounded by people that will be voting remain.
It's not some secret plot to hide the truth, it's just a normal effect of who you socialize with. It's a bit worrying though how many people are already starting to call "conspiracy" in this thread though!
On a side note the only person I've talked to that says remain was a photographer, their only reason being they travel a lot
That's a pretty decent reason to be honest.
I don't think that part of the Middle East is going to change in the next hundred years, never mind 10-20. We'll be colonising Mars while they're still fighting over the nuances of their religion
I only know of a couple of friends who are voting out and all I see in people's windows near where I live in Remain posters (apart from one for Bernie Sanders ).
I'd be a fool to think that everyone is voting remain though. My friends are my friends for a reason. My neighbours are my neighbours for a reason.
).I'd be a fool to think that everyone is voting remain though. My friends are my friends for a reason. My neighbours are my neighbours for a reason.
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There are those trying their best to associate leaving with racism, so what people say in response to the question and what box they tick in the privacy of the voting booth may be different.Same here , everyone I know is voting out, are any of the national newspaper polls showing genuine results I wonder?
This forum is populated by all age groups from teenagers to pensioners & I come under the latter, and yet the leave vote is storming ahead further with each monthly vote so how can we trust any of the other polls that all apparently show remainers in the lead
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Why ?
You can holiday wherever you want.. Even North Korea if that's what floats your boat.
Next to No-one can go immediately because of work/life commitments so that's the time needed to get holiday visas / book time off etc.
Yes erosion of national sovereignty is well worth not having to fill out a form when the plane lands.
The terrorist attacks as I said previously are large from Kurdish groups. Why exactly would they target a western country?
Secondly we still have border controls and a channel in between, and so don't see how it affects whether we should be part of the EU. Only Turkish citizens would be allowed to come to the UK, not illegal immigrants into Turkey.
Finally, what makes you think the Turkish border is any more leaky than other Eastern European countries?
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