The source isn't Youtube, they're debates between MPs from both sides. Of course they stand up to scrutiny other wise the host and remain side would've ripped them to shreds, which didn't happen funnily enough. You're just being ignorant and there's no other word to describe it.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
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The source isn't Youtube, they're debates between MPs from both sides. Of course they stand up to scrutiny other wise the host and remain side would've ripped them to shreds, which didn't happen funnily enough. You're just being ignorant and there's no other word to describe it.
You consider it "lucky" that people vote on gut instinct, and with prejudices, do you?
But we can agree that it is ridiculous to suggest increasing the population by 210 million? Just as there is no point stopping immigration totally.
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I do, yes, it's how life experiences and prediction of how the future may unroll based on those experiences form a part of the process as to how voters reach their decision. Statistics have their place, but are by no means the be all and end all.
Caporegime
There's a difference between speaking figuratively and hyperbole wildly divergent from the reality. I think you strayed well into the latter with your comparison of the UK and Bangladesh.
I'd like to see our infrastructure improved across the board and the large scale development of state housing to correct the errors of the last forty years and ensure everyone in the UK can have stable, high quality, housing if they want it. Changing demographics will make this a necessity regardless of whether we stamp down on immigration or not.
What sort of measure would you introduce?
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Re encouraging lower birth rates in the UK I could see following China's proven strategies as workable:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/29647/how-does-china-enforce-its-one-baby-policy
Man of Honour
No. Never.
China's proven strategy in oppressive totalitarianism? Yeah I think we can do without that here.
Caporegime
Nor me. The mere thought of the possibility of beautiful places like Cornwall, Dorset, Hampshire and more being built over and inundated with EU immigrants sickens me.
but the native birth rate of the uk is below 2 so declining.
why do you think accelerating the decline (and thus massively increasing the burden on the smaller number of working people to support the elderly) a good idea?
Soldato
Very valid point.
Also to add, these economic migrants are usually young, without a large family and the cost of their education and healthcare up until they are of working age, has been paid courtesy of their home country.
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Caporegime
The issue for me is the birthrate of immigrants far outweighs the birth rate of the British. That's dangerous in the long term.
only if you don't actually look into it, birth-rates for "natives" are holding steady, while immigrates birth-rates are falling, so no there wont be any long term issues.
just like they do actually integrate more and more with each generation, by third generation the vast majority are very much integrated.
and brining up Bangladesh population density is pure stupidy, uk will never get to those levels. so all that misinformation and lies many of you say the ramin camp use and yet you sprout such nonses.
it is predicted that global population will max out and then decline before the world hits 10billion, before stabilising at some where around current levels.
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If it remains a major political issue one or other party feels will swing an election, they will end up pledging a referendum again, whichever way it goes.
Soldato
So.. at a BBQ at the weekend. Lady there said she's voting leave because she works for a bureau de change, and is concerned that when we join the Euro, she'll be out of a job.
There maybe good reasons for leaving the EU, but they're lost on most people.
There maybe good reasons for leaving the EU, but they're lost on most people.
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I think a more pertinent issue than absolute numbers of people in the country is infrastructure.
If you have ever lived in the south east you'll be aware that the infrastructure is creaking under the strain. Rail and road services in particular cannot cope with an increase in population yet, these are amongst the most desirable places for inward immigration. Water and sewerage are becoming meaningful concerns too. I'm sure the UK is creaking elsewhere but we still continue with our near 20 year policy of what feels like unfettered migration.
There must be billions of people in the World worse off than the majority (or even totality) of UK citizens but we can't heal their woes by inviting them all here. Self interest suggests we should limit migration.
That said, I do not think and have never thought Brexit is the answer to this alone. I would vote to leave on soveriegnty alone, CAP, CFP, application of common market rules to non-common market business and ever increasing euro federalism just reinforce the argument for me.
If you have ever lived in the south east you'll be aware that the infrastructure is creaking under the strain. Rail and road services in particular cannot cope with an increase in population yet, these are amongst the most desirable places for inward immigration. Water and sewerage are becoming meaningful concerns too. I'm sure the UK is creaking elsewhere but we still continue with our near 20 year policy of what feels like unfettered migration.
There must be billions of people in the World worse off than the majority (or even totality) of UK citizens but we can't heal their woes by inviting them all here. Self interest suggests we should limit migration.
That said, I do not think and have never thought Brexit is the answer to this alone. I would vote to leave on soveriegnty alone, CAP, CFP, application of common market rules to non-common market business and ever increasing euro federalism just reinforce the argument for me.
that only works if there are no more first generation immigrants arriving.
Say first gen is a birth rate of 4
second gen 2
third gen 1.75 (assume this is native average)
if we never have any more first gen immigrants you are correct this wont ever be a problem.
but we have continually new first gen immigrants arriving every year with the high birthrate, so it is an issue.
Caporegime
Why?
more wrong assumptions. as birthrates are declining pretty much every where.
and those in the country far out weigh number of new imigrants,
so no which ever way you cut, it your assumprions are wrong.
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