Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 522 41.6%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 733 58.4%
  • Total voters
    1,255
  • Poll closed .
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Safetytrousers said:
Well, I would like to stay in fact, and I'd like your powers of precognition.
And as far as I know there is nothing to stop there being another referendum to leave should the situation warrant it. A verdict to stay now does not bind the country to stick it out to the bitter end if a process of collapse is too much to bear.
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Doesn't the UK government hold the power to leave without a referendum anyway?
 
[TW]Fox;29451005 said:
It it's going to collapse what difference does it make? You'll get your Brexit anyway :D
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And how many billions would member countries be expected to keep pumping in to try and stop the house of cards collapsing?
 
Zethor said:
No it's not, it's the final conclusion on the subject. The 28% is a different interpretation (directives vs all laws) and the 9% is wrong because it takes into account repelled laws. There are just 2 reports, 1 independent (3/4 and 28% figures) and one campaign report (9%). Read it again.
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Wrong. The 70% number is talking about directives, but when it was translated and used by the Government in that report you love the title changed to "all EU laws", which is wrong. It's not 70% of all law. Stop defending a Government that's blatantly biased.

Zethor said:
Free movement is not negotiable if you want access to the single market. It may not be one of the hot topics for you but it generally is the most important for Brexit supporters, followed by sovereignty.

You are going off topic again with Schengen and the migration crisis.
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How is that off topic? Free movement, schengen and the migration crisis are all connected and based on the free movement of people. Switzerland doesn't want that and countries are violating it by putting fences up. The whole principle is being put into question. Given this and other turmoil the EU is in (debt crisis, rise of nationalist parties, unemployment, dutch referendum) what makes you think it's in such a strong negotiating position?
 
Mulder said:
How is that off topic? Free movement, schengen and the migration crisis are all connected and based on the free movement of people. Switzerland doesn't want that and countries are violating it by putting fences up. The whole principle is being put into question. Given this and other turmoil the EU is in (debt crisis, rise of nationalist parties, unemployment, dutch referendum) what makes you think it's in such a strong negotiating position?
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Free movement is a fundamental condition of the EEC and EU. The EU simply will not negotiate on such a foundation of the project.
 
I still detest the oft bandied about 'link' between the migration crisis and freedom of movement.

Migration Crisis in Summary:
  • Unresolved situation in Iraq and Afghanistan
  • Crippled Somalia
  • Geopolitical disaster in Libya
  • The civil war in Syria
  • Deteriorating relations with Russia and their intervention in the region

These are the key pushes of the flow, the numbers of unaccompanied children, the camps. Offloading the blame here on the EU requires some very creative fiction. Remember, foreign policy is a subsidiary matter.

The EU bit:
  • The Dublin Regulation, now under review
  • Germany exercises its sovereign (the irony) right to suspend DR and offer direct claims processing because a few former Soviet Bloc states went into a fit
  • The lack of the Turkey deal that's now in place, causing deportation delays and a backlog of applications in countries with little admin muscle to tackle them
  • Free movement applies to EU citizens not refugees; it was not a right extended to them on asylum claim approval
  • The 'crisis' part was caused in no small part by the negotiations respecting sovereignty, not dismissing it
  • The response is holding up, the numbers are falling, and we are back to stabilising Syria (the part of Obama's visit people may have missed)


Brexit won't stop the flow of people from the affected countries nor our government's taking of refugees from the camps nor people attempting to claim asylum directly here; however, we've opted out of the resettlement plan, nobody can force it on us and we have complete control over what, if any, parts of the new protocol we choose to participate in down the years whilst in the EU.

We are not part of Schengen, but we do have access to the fingerprint database, European Arrest Warrant and security information to help resolve failed claims, catch criminals, identify economic migrants and detect fraud.

How much of that we'll still have access to after Brexit hinges on the association level we choose, the contribution we are willing to make financially and Theresa May's preoccupations as HS.
 
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Dolph said:
In, while the EU is not perfect, we know exactly what remaining in involves. Leave have not been able to give any evidence based information about what will happen post brexit, and as such I cannot vote on the hope it is better when the risk is that it is likely to be worse.
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'Dolph in sensible comment shocker!'

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datalol-jack said:
I still detest the oft bandied about 'link' between the migration crisis and freedom of movement.

Migration Crisis in Summary:
  • Unresolved situation in Iraq and Afghanistan
  • Crippled Somalia
  • Geopolitical disaster in Libya
  • The civil war in Syria
  • Deteriorating relations with Russia and their intervention in the region

These are the key pushes of the flow, the numbers of unaccompanied children, the camps. Offloading the blame here on the EU requires some very creative fiction. Remember, foreign policy is a subsidiary matter.

The EU bit:
  • The Dublin Regulation, now under review
  • Germany exercises its sovereign (the irony) right to suspend DR and offer direct claims processing because a few former Soviet Bloc states went into a fit
  • The lack of the Turkey deal that's now in place, causing deportation delays and a backlog of applications in countries with little admin muscle to tackle them
  • Free movement applies to EU citizens not refugees; it was not a right extended to them on asylum claim approval
  • The 'crisis' part was caused in no small part by the negotiations respecting sovereignty, not dismissing it
  • The response is holding up, the numbers are falling, and we are back to stabilising Syria (the part of Obama's visit people may have missed)


Brexit won't stop the flow of people from the affected countries nor our government's taking of refugees from the camps nor people attempting to claim asylum directly here; however, we've opted out of the resettlement plan, nobody can force it on us and we have complete control over what, if any, parts of the new protocol we choose to participate in down the years whilst in the EU.

We are not part of Schengen, but we do have access to the fingerprint database, European Arrest Warrant and security information to help resolve failed claims, catch criminals, identify economic migrants and detect fraud.

How much of that we'll still have access to after Brexit hinges on the association level we choose, the contribution we are willing to make financially and Theresa May's preoccupations as HS.
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The problem isn't so much the link as the end result. People see higher migration caused during a crisis and they also see a lack of controls and realistic population controls by the EU. It's not that they are linked but rather that they are not compatible in creating a situation where either is ideal and that's the fault of the EU and there typical lack of compromise. Whether it improves or not you can see people aren't going to want to keep promoting a problematic policy and since the EU simply hasn't resolved the matter or created any meaningful deterence (such as making britain less attractive to migrants) the Brexit is the only real option left to try and negotiate further welfare reforms with the EU. Something tells me plenty of polish and romanians will come regardless of the child benefits being set to there own home rates but the EU reneged on giving us any option to have people have to put into the system before claiming out.

In the end the two policies being put hand in hand is because of the obvious end result and people blame the EU as we're not going to blame poor people for having war ravaged lands but the EU policy makes it the most difficult to keep migration down. Brexit hasn't really guaranteed any reduction but it's still the only option we have considering the referendum didn't tackle the subject sufficiently. The EU has had lots of chances and the referendum represented one of the larger and obviously most recent ones to reform such issues but it remains unreformed largely. If we stay there isn't any guarantee they will even accept that policy of rates to home countries levels either as they'll have a vote on it so remaining in the EU is no more guaranteed a position anyway. It'd be nice if they actually bothered to resolve issues before the referendum but now they've just left people considering the lack of compromise, the lack of reform and the lack of trust in whether that reform will be implemented. Go EU?
 
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Since immigration has been knocked off the perch as the No.1 reason for Brexiting, it now seems to be 'Sovereignty' and the ability that we can directly vote for our own representatives which is the most important thing a country can have...

Strange then that it seems most people don't seem that bothered about that at all

Local elections: England's lowest turnouts revealed

Fewer than one in five eligible voters in some parts of England previously chose anyone to represent them in local elections
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35999707

I wonder if you did a random poll in your area how many people could name their Local Councillor
 
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EEA countries have an "emergency brake" that allows them to reduce immigration. One of the unique things you don't get in the EU.
 
Time to take back control.... Leave the EU

I do not want my or my families lives ruled & dictated by some unelected EU quangos and an ever more closely integrated european union.

I want our elected government to make our laws, British Laws for British people.
 
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