Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[Skunkworks]

Remain a member of the European Union 37.64%
Leave the European Union 62.36%

Good to see the OcUK members not being taken in by the spergs and shills.

 

[Tosno]

Remain a member of the European Union 37.64%
Leave the European Union 62.36%

Thanks Obama!

 

[datalol-jack]

No she is not a refugee All non EU spouses can travel with their EU other half to any EU country and the visa is free and processed at priority.

https://eumovement.wordpress.com/2007/04/15/requirements-for-a-short-stay-visa-family-of-eu-citizen/

Well, stop talking smack then , you know full well that refugees who claim asylum have their movement restricted, here and in the EU. It has always been so. You'd be talking of family reunion in their specific case: https://www.gov.uk/settlement-refugee-or-humanitarian-protection/family-reunion.

Other countries have similar humanitarian clauses. But even that's not unconditional.

And ordinary non-EU spousal rules have been tightened up via income requirements, etc. This is a non-issue, especially after the crack down on sham marriages in the new immigration bill, which I'm sure you can peruse at your leisure.

 

[Tosno]

Well, stop talking smack then , you know full well that refugees who claim asylum have their movement restricted, here and in the EU. It has always been so. You'd be talking of family reunion in their specific case: https://www.gov.uk/settlement-refugee-or-humanitarian-protection/family-reunion.

Other countries have similar humanitarian clauses. But even that's not unconditional.

And ordinary non-EU spousal rules have been tightened up via income requirements, etc. This is a non-issue, especially after the crack down on sham marriages in the new immigration bill, which I'm sure you can peruse at your leisure.

No, they are not, refugees are not forbidden to marry EU citizens. Non EU spouses of EU citizens can go to any other EU country free of charge, as my wife is doing with Finland.

The income requirements you talk of only applies to British citizens, I have been there done that and got the t-shirt. As I wanted to live in Britain with my wife as I am a British citizen I had to pass them. If I were a German citizen and wanted to relocate to Britain, her visa would be free like it is to Finland.

 

[[TW]Fox]

No, they are not, refugees are not forbidden to marry EU citizens.

Neither are non-refugees, legal residents of Argentina or people from Mongolia.

It's a complete red herring. I doubt millions of refugees are going to be marrying EU citizens.

 

[bayo000]

Remain a member of the European Union 37.64%
Leave the European Union 62.36%

Good to see the OcUK members not being taken in by the spergs and shills.

As with all previous threads, in couple of weeks it will be 45%-55%. I knew I should have posted a screenshot on Sunday when it was 50-50.

 

[datalol-jack]

No, they are not, refugees are not forbidden to marry EU citizens. Non EU spouses of EU citizens can go to any other EU country free of charge, as my wife is doing with Finland.

The income requirements you talk of only applies to British citizens, I have been there done that and got the t-shirt. As I wanted to live in Britain with my wife as I am a British citizen I had to pass them. If I were a German citizen, her visa would be free like it is to Finland.

No, marrying an EU citizen doesn't lift the conditions of asylum. If they obtain an EU passport, or you marry them before their claim is processed (in the camp, maybe), and can demonstrate it's not a sham marriage, then that's a different legal picture. As above, standard non-EU spouses are different.

More info:
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/citizen/files/swd_2014_284_en.pdf
http://europa.eu/pol/pdf/flipbook/en/migration_en.pdf

Comment from the Oxford Migration Observatory:
http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...european-asylum-system-and-eu-immigration-law

 

[Insanties_birth]

Paranoid 'think of the children!' + use of buzzword in a vague manner = quick way to lose credibility

Funny that we saw the pro EU side using the think of the children argument then, the video posted earlier showed nick clegg be the one to say it's not just us but our future and our children. If it's a pro EU argument does it not have the same credibility loss because I think a more significant representative of the pro EU argument must have caused some considerable credibility loss if you stick to this flawed logic. Or maybe we don't have to debate on such slippery slope logic and baseless derision every time we want an excuse to invalidate others points If anything is losing credibility it's the constantly childish rhetoric of condascending insults, rise above it quicker please!

 

[datalol-jack]

As with all previous threads, in couple of weeks it will be 45%-55%. I knew I should have posted a screenshot on Sunday when it was 50-50.

Paging eager robfosters. They like reading signs in the tea leaves of the internet -- leave them to it. Out rushes in like a tide of mad clickers, then the sensible people come .

 

[Avenged7Fold]

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It is not the think of the children part which discredits, it is the think of the children mixed with a vague use of a buzzword which in the end, does not raise any point.

It is perfectly acceptable to consider the future of our children but when it sounds like paranoid mumsnetters mixed with social club skinheads it all gets a bit weird.

 

[Tosno]

Neither are non-refugees, legal residents of Argentina or people from Mongolia.

It's a complete red herring. I doubt millions of refugees are going to be marrying EU citizens.

That's right, anyone in the whole world, Argentina, Mongolia, Syria ect can move to Britain free of charge because of EU law.

It's not a red herring at all, it's a fact. You doubt millions of refugees/economic migrants are marrying EU citizens, but I don't doubt thousands already have and will.

No, marrying an EU citizen doesn't lift the conditions of asylum. If they obtain an EU passport, or you marry them before their claim is processed (in the camp, maybe), and can demonstrate it's not a sham marriage, then that's a different legal picture. As above, standard non-EU spouses are different.

EU spouses travel to other EU countries for free, freedom of movement is a EU fundamental. As for demonstrate it's not a sham marriage? When does that happen, we didn't demonstrate a thing in the Finnish embassy when they gave out a year long multi entry schengen visa for free.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

It's not a red herring at all, it's a fact. You doubt millions of refugees are marrying EU citizens, but I don't doubt thousands already have/will.

Its not right; marrying our women, working our jobs, learning our language.

Build a wall!

 

[datalol-jack]

That's right, anyone in the whole world, Argentina, Mongolia, Syria ect can move to Britain free of charge because of EU law.

It's not a red herring at all, it's a fact. You doubt millions of refugees/economic migrants are marrying EU citizens, but I don't doubt thousands already have and will.

Tell me, how will our 'new' restrictions on non-EU spouses go much beyond this: https://fullfact.org/europe/partner-visas-and-eu/. Non-EU migration and asylum is under the UK's sole remit. What will change upon Brexit in the EEA or under EFTA? There's nothing stopping May throwing out the ECHR entirely now, as it is, made very plain in her interventions on the referendum -- a shocking prospect but true.

Why is it tied to your dislike of the EU?

 

[Tosno]

Its not right; marrying our women, working our jobs, learning our language.

Build a wall!

How will Mr Mohammed, be marrying our women and learning our language if he marries this Polish beauty for a free visa to Britain and live a life of benefits? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/exposed-6k-time-sham-marriage-7043395

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Probably because most Polish people i meet can speaker better English than some of the chavs around here

Seriously though, I noticed you ignored datalol-jacks reply to you and decided to discuss what was clearly a satirical post. Tell me, why is that?

Also i find the article you linked funny. Apart from the quite obvious scare attempt, it mentions the sham marriages that ended up being permanent normal relationships where they even have kids. Sounds like a very expensive online dating service at that point lol

 

[Skunkworks]

If anything is losing credibility it's the constantly childish rhetoric of condascending insults, rise above it quicker please!

Perhaps you haven’t noticed yet, but the most zealous of the remainers are a bit maladjusted.

 

[Tosno]

Tell me, how will our 'new' restrictions on non-EU spouses go much beyond this: https://fullfact.org/europe/partner-visas-and-eu/. Non-EU migration and asylum is under the UK's sole remit. What will change upon Brexit in the EEA or under EFTA? There's nothing stopping May throwing out the ECHR entirely now, as it is, made very plain in her interventions on the referendum -- a shocking prospect but true.

Why is it tied to your dislike of the EU?

The new £18,600 rule (which I passed for my wife) applies to British spouses. Me as a British citizen that wants to live in Britain with my non EU wife have to earn at least £18,600 to bring my wife to Britain (if I earned less, I would be denied a family life in Britain) and pay £1000 for a visa. However if I was a German citizen (or any other EU citizen for that matter) I could bring my non EU citizen wife to Britain for free and it doesn't matter if I only earn 18p a year, plus she can claim all benefits, whereas mine can not for 30 months.

 

[Tosno]

Seriously though, I noticed you ignored datalol-jacks reply to you and decided to discuss what was clearly a satirical post. Tell me, why is that?

I didn't, see above ^. Don't be impatient young man

 

[datalol-jack]

The new £18,600 rule (which I passed for my wife) applies to British spouses. Me as a British citizen that wants to live in Britain with my non EU wife have to earn at least £18,600 to bring my wife to Britain (if I earned less, I would be denied a family life in Britain) and pay £1000 for a visa. However if I was a German citizen (or any other EU citizen for that matter) I could bring my non EU citizen wife to Britain for free and it doesn't matter if I only earn 18p a year, plus she can claim all benefits, whereas mine can not for 30 months.

Keep typing, Tosno. What will change upon Brexit in the EEA or under EFTA? There's nothing stopping May throwing out the ECHR entirely now, as it is, made very plain in her interventions on the referendum -- a shocking prospect but true.

Why is it tied to your dislike of the EU?

 

[stewski]

On TTIP

http://www.theguardian.com/business...-ttip-as-france-threatens-to-block-eu-us-deal

In or out it takes governments to block unfavourable trade deals, a vote for in really isn't a vote for TTIP.