Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
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Boris for PM
Soldato
You don't HAVE TO. It's your choice, nobody is forcing you to buy a property. Anyway that's off topic and not really relevant to this topic. I was just making a point that too many people in this country don't live within their means and then blame XYZ for their poor choices in life.
Caporegime
I'm unsure what you mean by the bolded part?
I agree Boris is a good speaker, he's easy to listen to and comes across as likeable and I'm sure people find him convincing. But he's just awful on facts: and it's not just that he repeats things without fact checking them, he wilfully repeats things that he knows to be false. His biography of Churchill sums him up: widely liked by casual readers but utterly slated by serious historians for it's continual factual inaccuracies while many political commentators saw in it an attempt to elevate Boris himself.
And that's the feeling I get from Boris all the time: he's not a politician who has much interest in facts nor much interest in doing the best job in the role he's been elected to do but a great deal of interest in furthering Project Boris.
When he was a regular on Have I Got News his bafoonish charm was endearing but in a man who might lead the country his deep, deep flaws are seriously concerning. Do we really want a PM who attaches so little value to the facts of the matter?
Caporegime
Actually, given how shockingly rubbish renting in this country is, I think it's hard to argue that people aren't being forced into buying property. There is very little alternative to buying if you want a home that you can rely on keeping and keep to your tastes.
Worse, buying is the poster-child for "he who haveth shalt receive". Once you have enough income and deposit to buy a house you benefit from lower mortgage than you would pay in rent and increasing share of an appreciating asset. I have made something like £55k in equity by owning for the last 14 years and during that time I've had to pay out less than I would have had to pay in rent. It's just another ratchet helping increase the gap between the relatively affluent and the have-nots.
You've more or less answered it by that following paragraph, he's one of very few politicians were he can get muddles up, mumbles and waffles on and some how still make a connection to the audience and somehow has made them on board.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure people see him as marmite
Good for you, but that's almost impossible anywhere south even on well above average wages. I'm a higher rate tax payer but can't even NEARLY afford a house in Bristol.
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A big swing to the leave camp this month from the poll.
Soldato
I am not sure that Churchill was an advocate of the EEC let alone the EU (too early). Much of his comments alluded to the earlier Council of Europe, Human rights convention etc. He did say that France and Germany should have closer ties.
He did allegedly say that given a choice between looking to Europe or the open sea, we should look to the open sea.
He did allegedly say that given a choice between looking to Europe or the open sea, we should look to the open sea.
Shame it's meaningless.
Soldato
Caporegime
Which poll are you referring to? All the polling I've seen shows a pretty uniform picture of equal running with occasional variation in either direction which is getting over-interpreted by whichever side it favours.
Soldato
Seems quite clear to me ^
Well, with Greece about to need yet another bailout, Germany getting massive support for far-right parties against the migrant influx, and Cameron spouting ridiculous fear-mongering about "stay in the EU or it'll be war" - is anyone surprised at a swing towards 'leave'?
Can't get out of there fast enough, as far as I'm concerned.
Can't get out of there fast enough, as far as I'm concerned.
Caporegime
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Did we participate in the last one?
No, so what does that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting people would swing to 'Leave' based on factors that are not even related to our membership? Surely not.
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I think the reasons people would vote to leave are precisely the reason I think it should have been left to the politicians. We had this conversation at work where we are all in the work share schemes and they are threatening us with the share price falling if we leave. So many people at work would vote one way or another for a short term gain say of doubling their shares over a 3 year period and would vote whichever way gave them that.
People would vote either way to turn even a small amount of 2k into 4k because just about anyone I have spoken to about this really has no idea about long term impact. Myself included.
I heard there were riots there last night...
Yes, of course. Hold all this trust with a bunch of duplicitous treacherous human beings.
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