Not necessarily but it is possible.
It depends on any future negotiations between the individual countries or possibly the EU as a whole and the UK.
Similar to you as you are now, working and living in a foreign country.
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Not necessarily but it is possible.
It depends on any future negotiations between the individual countries or possibly the EU as a whole and the UK.
Similar to you as you are now, working and living in a foreign country.
I trust them to run the country? Politicians are lying snakes.
Like everything about Brexit - it becomes uncertain and undeniably put at risk. Maybe we'll negotiate back in, maybe we won't. Some Brexiters will argue for keeping it; for others getting rid of the right of free movement is a major reason to leave. Unfortunately, there's no real way of knowing what will happen especially as the result is likely to depend on the whims of any Conservative leadership election should Cameron be pushed post-referendum.
If you value such freedoms then they are a strong argument for Remain.
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To be honest every time they publish a pro-Europe statement the more ridiculous it sounds.
If Europe is that unstable then I feel even more certain we are better off out of it.
Calling in support from Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, they are two proven liars for a start lol
Every time they publish a pro-European headline they seem to lose even more support. Might be prudent for them to keep quiet.
Must be an unusual bunch of teachers ime. I know a fair few but actually there are some exceptions. My better half being one haha.
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Err really? Lets see Russia are going to invade, we will have ISIS and terrorist attacks every minute of every day, we will lose £4200 per household, will will have an alien invasion and wont be helped, we will have no way of working over seas or studying abroad or will be ignored by the EU, we will have meteor showers, we will have less presence on the world stage.
That vs we can do this we can make our own trade deals we can set our own rules we can do this. We can save £15-£30+bn per year, we can have a democratic voice, we get a seat on the WTO... Sounds far more optimistic.
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Really? I raise you Barack Obama: Back of the queue, the French remarks... Its threats, nothing more. If the world economy believes it can do without 4-6trillion well.
I think my over ruling factor is Greece. The troika did an unspeakable evil against millions of people and I cannot agree with what it did. Look at what Varofoukis said: They hated the idea of democracy. And the weak suffer what they must? You bet!
I think the only area now available for change is the people getting splinters. My decision nor those of my friends and family will not alter.
All successful scaremongering has a nucleus of plausibility. That doesn't mean that it isn't scaremongering though. The UK could merge its forces with an EU army. Greece's economy could collapse completely. Turkey could join the Schengen zone. None are likely in the medium-term though.
What Cameron said (versus how the tabloids reported it) isn't implausible. The chance of war breaking out in western Europe is slim but what about Ukraine or Georgia?
Have you seen and read what's going on in Athens at the moment?
Greece are a bankrupt nation that is being loaned money generated by the same bank to pay itself back the money and charge the dues to the Greek people. They are also listing Greek assets as their securities.
With Turkey, well who knows. There is an increasing likelihood that Turkey or rather the dictator ISIS chum Erdogan is getting into a position of fast tracked membership. Turkey joining the EU would potentially wash in a culture of cavemen.
Democracy has already stifled and stumbled. Lets prove the people do have a voice. I don't want you or anyone else to speak for me... But that is what we get with the EU, no voice.
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But the politicians have no better idea than you or I about what the future holds, so why leave it to them to decide our fate?
For me personally, the economic argument is pretty much irrelevant. The same people claiming to know that our economy will be damaged are the same people who failed to accurately predict pretty much everything else before. But even some of the worst estimates seem like something I could live with.
For me, the deciding factor will be this: Do I want to continue the march towards a federal Europe which will be run under the continental system? No, I do not.
It depends what medium term you are looking at. This is a once in a lifetime in/out referendum, the last was 40 years ago. Short, medium or long term?
I cannot believe that a referendum will be called by any party in the next couple of generations. So whatever you think may occur in that sort of time span is what you vote for this time.
Democracy is, by definition, other people speaking and deciding for you.
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Live debate on the dodgy leaflet:
http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/93a979e7-4c8a-4d3f-89b1-529df4b4cad4
http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/93a979e7-4c8a-4d3f-89b1-529df4b4cad4
That fact there has to be a debate on the leaflet at all shows how wrong it was that it was sent at all.
I was amused that their picture of a shipping port talking about trade with Europe shows a dock exclusively used for trade with China.
Everything about its conception is dodgy.
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Every time you post, 10 undecideds join the out camp.
You just made me lol
I think certain posters in here put a lot more faith in "official" statements than others, even despite the fact they're totally biased....
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Meanwhile, information from the 'Out' campaign is completely impartial and straight down the line
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