Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[datalol-jack]

Has the overall numbers of cars on the road remained the same over the last 20 years?

Stop playing dumb.

What's the percentage of cars sold to foreign born members of the population, out of interest? Further, if you'd looked at this, we would still have a fairly healthy population growth with the Faragista version of immigration, really, hence a car ownership bump, as them nasty EUs aren't the biggest factor in the ratio; some pertinent population stats:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat.../birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2015-07-15
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....and-and-wales/2011--final-/sty-fertility.html.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....-living-in-the-uk/2011-census-data/index.html
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ttp://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_371129.pdf

But please do take the (decreasing, year-on-year birth and fertility) official stats and show me the car ownership rate amongst the new arrivals, their children, and then compare it to the natives and their children; and how it all destroys our green and pleasant land.

Let's see you fly, Skunks! Oh, and whilst you're are at it, show me how Brexit'll fix it all. Show me the magical infrastructure funds. Show me the caring BoJos and Mogg types who will keep the environmental regulation and protect the future generations. Lol.

I know you, so I'll give you the figure: it's less than 1 car per 10 households. But since I'm also cruel, I'll let you work out just how small the foreign born contribution to it is. Cheerio!

 

[bayo000]

Has the overall numbers of cars on the road remained the same over the last 20 years?

Stop playing dumb.

Or you know more people can afford luxury of car now than they did 20 years ago.

 

[datalol-jack]

What has the biggest influence on the R&D priorities of manufacturers?

a) Legislation pertaining to a market of potentially 500 million people
b) Legislation pertaining to a market of potentially 60 million people

Frankly we'd probably have just coat-tailed off the back of what the EU did anyway had we not been members so we'd arguably have still benefited. but then we are back to allowing laws and regulations to influence us yet have no say in them.

See, Fox, that's a major flaw, amongst other binary contradictions in the Brexit case: "We are so big, they must listen/We are so small, everyone bullies us."

 

[Danthus]

instead of buying a poison wagon, you buy one that isn't, simples.

Can you tell me which car I can buy that can do 500 miles in a day then that isn't a poison wagon?

 

[Skunkworks]

See, Fox, that's a major flaw, amongst other binary contradictions in the Brexit case: "We are so big, they must listen/We are so small, everyone bullies us."

Kind of like the "we are too small and weak to manage by ourselves but we have loads of loads of influence in the EU that wont notice if we leave because we're so weak and need them!"

 

[datalol-jack]

Kind of like the "we are too small and weak to manage by ourselves but we have loads of loads of influence in the EU that wont notice if we leave because we're so weak and need them!"

Not even close: "We are amplified through the EU beyond our actual size; we have no magic money tree to recreate that bloc weight on the outside." I know, it hurts not to be on the nostalgic imperial bandwagon.

 

[eatcustard]

Only weak people will vote to stay in

OUT is the only option

 

[flowrider99]

I posted yhis in the last thread but so it doesn't get lost i will post again.........'Google FCO 030/1048 and you will see the deception that got us into the EU.

 

[datalol-jack]

Only weak people will vote to stay in

OUT is the only option

Be alpha, eat sovereignty. Gotcha.

I posted yhis in the last thread but so it doesn't get lost i will post again.........'Google FCO 030/1048 and you will see the deception that got us into the EU.

It's all a big ruse. Welcome to politics.

 

[Conscript]

Only weak people will vote to stay in

OUT is the only option

Stunning reasoning like this is exactly why there shouldn't even be a referendum.

 

[eatcustard]

Stunning reasoning like this is exactly why there shouldn't even be a referendum.

What I expect from a weak person

If you like the EU so much go live in France or German and let the rest of us govern ourselves

 

[Conscript]

What I expect from a weak person

If you like the EU so much go live in France or German and let the rest of us govern ourselves

You think I'm weak, I think you're a bit of a moron, guess we're equal.

I'm assuming you don't have much logical coherent argument to add to the debate, so may as well leave it there.

 

[datalol-jack]

What I expect from a weak person

If you like the EU so much go live in France or German and let the rest of us govern ourselves

Lord Lawson already does . If you like Victorian/WW2 Britain so much... kill yourself and hope for rebirth?

 

[[TW]Fox]

If you like the EU so much go live in France or German and let the rest of us govern ourselves

Sorry, you govern yourself? Where do you live?! I'm governed by a parliament in London, made up of elected MP's.

In much the same way that EU is governed by a parliament made up of elected MEP's. Sure we didn't vote for the President but we didn't vote for our Prime Minister, either.

 

[bayo000]

Only weak people will vote to stay in

OUT is the only option

Only the cowards run.

 

[datalol-jack]

Sorry, you govern yourself? Where do you live?! I'm governed by a parliament in London, made up of elected MP's.

In much the same way that EU is governed by a parliament made up of elected MEP's. Sure we didn't vote for the President but we didn't vote for our Prime Minister, either.

I like how they attack 'undemocratic' things, but then ignore the same elements of our own democracy, being a constitutional monarchy to begin with notwithstanding!

 

[Conscript]

Sorry, you govern yourself? Where do you live?! I'm governed by a parliament in London, made up of elected MP's.

In much the same way that EU is governed by a parliament made up of elected MEP's. Sure we didn't vote for the President but we didn't vote for our Prime Minister, either.

He's already resorted to a variant of one primary school playground reasoning, "If you like xxx so much, why don't you marry it?!".
So I'm sure he wouldn't be above adopting another by sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting loudly instead of taking in your reasoned response.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I hate the Brexit party, their men, their words and their methods.

But apart from that you quite like them?

You're probably aware I changed my opinion to be fair there's a difference between an earnest debate and the snickering and insults that tends to get padded around a lot with pro EU supporters. It's hard for you to convince people you're worth listening to while being rude and disrespectful to any issue they bring forward as a concern in there mind. I am quite open minded so I let it slide and swapped from out voter to in but I can't say I feel the in voters do much favours to there arguments with all the jokes and insults.

I don't think either side can particularly claim the moral high ground regarding debate or insults.

The amount of time people spend debating stuff with people who equally will never change their mind on an internet forum is the most stunning thing about these poll results and thread activity.

If someone could actually spend some of that time to look through the results and find the 2 people that have actually read an internet debate and changed their view it would be the best thing to come from these threads

It's almost as bad as a religion thread in that regard, very few people change opinions on matters they feel strongly about, they typically just rearrange their prejudices (and with apologies to the original author of the quote that I'm paraphrasing).

 

[datalol-jack]

But apart from that you quite like them?

Only if they happen to be GD members from Oldham.

 

[Insanties_birth]

I don't think either side can particularly claim the moral high ground regarding debate or insults.

Depends, is someone who is a murderer because of bad circumstances just as bad as a 10x repeat offender? There's degrees of behaviour, we know who's flinging more mud even if there both in the mud pit. I'm not saying it to try and baselessly insult any side but rather to get them to recognise the behaviour and hopefully stop it.