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Ironically if we do vote to Leave, it'll be those that did who will take us out. But it should be obvious that the 'we' used in the national 'we'. I wasn't even born in 1966, I can still say that 'we' won the World Cup in 1966.
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Ironically if we do vote to Leave, it'll be those that did who will take us out. But it should be obvious that the 'we' used in the national 'we'. I wasn't even born in 1966, I can still say that 'we' won the World Cup in 1966.
Considering the actual referendum question was "Do you think the United Kingdom should remain part of the European Community (the Common Market)?", it's a bit disingenuous to say it wasn't presented primarily as a trade organisation.
...and of course people back then used to refer to the EEC as the "common market", as a lot of the adverts on both sides referred to it as, and per articles like this, which mentions the common market 5 times.
It clearly was pitched as primarily about trade, and look where we are today....
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Feels to me like Turkey have the EU by the balls RE immigrant crisis and felt (probably correctly) that they could get this visa free travel implemented which is another step along the road to full membership.
Not sure if this will have much impact in itself, maybe some within Europe but not within the UK.
Turkey would benefit massively from becoming a full EU member.
I still think they are a long long way away from membership but they are taking advantage whilst they have something the EU badly needs.
I don't think there was much chance of the EU withdrawing the extra funds Turkey are getting. It may seem like they are risking billions but in reality the EU need there help pretty badly at the moment.
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You seriously cannot see the difference between what's happening with Turkey and the other countries you quote? None of the above countries are on the EU's candidate list, none have recently done a "deal" which included a promise to "rekindle joining the EU discussions" and none share a border with the EU.
To pretend the gradual preparation for Turkey joining the EU is the same as Argentina being given visa free travel is really missing the point.
Can you prove that? Genuine question, it may well be true, I'd be interested to know.
It would surprise me a bit given two thirds of Tory MPs are in favour of leaving, and the Tories are the majority in the House.
Ironic considering the noise the brexit side made over Cameron's speech about a destabilizing Europe. One sniff of the telegraph headline and away many went.
It goes back to the comments we were discussing about newspapers and the slants and bias they all have. At least with many of the broadsheets once you get past the headline and into the article it doesn't become as inflammatory and there are some facts to make your mind up, even if the story is bias as a whole.
Err...Yes
I think the 'method' in which was being employed to unify Europe is all important when using Hitler as a comparison to the EU lol
So no, they are not comparable in any reasonable sense, but I was expecting such a weak response, so at least you didn't fail there.
Next week. How the founding fathers of America were like Hitler...
Here's my maths on how many MPs are pro-Brexit:
Let's assume that two-thirds of Conservative MPs back Leave (220 vs 110).
Labour's Leave campaign consists of 4 MPs (4 vs 223).
SNP and Lib Dem are both 100% pro-EU as far as I can tell (0 vs 64).
I'm happy to be proven wrong though!
And that really would cause destabilization in Europe. I'd put money on there being at least one war/civil war if that actually happened.
It would depend if it happened over a relatively short period of time or decades of guess. I'd bet if (and that's a fairly big "if") the EU did "fall apart" it would be over a long period of time (say 20-30 years), rather than going to hell.
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If NIESR is too heavy for you, here's a simple infographic on migration and refugees:
A useful summary considering how often we end up on this topic. Have fun.
A useful summary considering how often we end up on this topic. Have fun.
It is true!
Was out anyway, but this galvanised my beliefs on why we should leave. Good watch
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It's opening line is "we, the people, are being cajoled, frightened and bullied into surrendering our democracy and freedom" then carries on to someone telling you it doesn't matter how you vote in general elections. Somehow, I doubt it gets more reasonable and balanced from there.
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Watched it. Will be quite happy when the UK leaves. Most of that was ******** though.
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Visa free schengen access is not 'gradual preparation for EU membership'.
Well I'll waste an hour of my life elsewhere then.
It's a change from the regular TL;DR, followed by can you break it down for me responses.
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