Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[Mulder]

I think people are waking up to the fact that longer term (which is the right timeframe to look at, not the weeks or months post brexit) its actually more risky to remain, and that a vote to remain is not a vote for the status quo.

 

[sityeuropa]

You should be taking into account not just how the EU is at the moment, but as soon as that referendum is over what will the EU most likely do next.

 

[Rilot]

You should be taking into account not just how the EU is at the moment, but as soon as that referendum is over what will the EU most likely do next.

I think that this is what a lot of people worry about. THat a vote to remain will be seen by the EU as an endorsement of their authority to do whatever they like.

 

[francky]

For me personally, im very much torn on which way to vote....leaning on the leave side.....I do a lot of business that I ship around the EU and so from a purely selfish financial point of view, Id want to stay.....as I do think it will affect things short term and have no clue how things will pan out long term economically (nobody does though).....but from a purely political point of view, I don't like the idea of a group of unelected elite, forming what is quite clearly a European state, a European army and eventually the Unites States of Europe...something we as British people have never voted for and seem to be getting sucked into.....and if we don't like the rules they set, well tough....we cant as people vote them out as a Government with a view to voting in a different EU Government....we just have to go with their rules and the way they want Europe to be....this is just my opinion and why I would vote out, as I feel more strongly about this than short term financial gain/loss.

Im very interested how it will all pan out though........every forum I've read, every person I've spoken to, at work ,friends, family or news article comments section, social media are all very much in favour of leaving, bar the odd person and even the poll in this forum suggests favour towards leaving...we shall see.

 

[Skunkworks]

You should be taking into account not just how the EU is at the moment, but as soon as that referendum is over what will the EU most likely do next.

I think that this is what a lot of people worry about. THat a vote to remain will be seen by the EU as an endorsement of their authority to do whatever they like.

I find this the most frustrating part. The rad remainers just asserting X will never happen because of Y law that we have right now. Try pointing that out to them and it’s immediately met with smug condescension.

 

[Woden]

We still get a say in what happens in the EU post referendum. Or would if we bothered to take part.

Voting to remain is not a view to replace parliament with an EU appointed dictator.

 

[datalol-jack]

I find this the most frustrating part. The rad remainers just asserting X will never happen because of Y law that we have right now. Try pointing that out to them and it’s immediately met with smug condescension.

And it will be, because it's beyond drivel!

A priori flailings disconnected from data and situation on the ground. Following your paranoid logic to its ultimate conclusion, we shouldn't trust any laws or politicians... on anything, and no international agreement can hold. Indeed, aren't you in the camp that still believes that the referendum will be fudged in some way, and Brexit won't happen even if there were a vote for it? Under such grand assumptions -- it's pointless to vote and participate in society.

Neither Britain nor the EU exist in such feverish imagination as they are; come to terms with both: here, now, today -- in the real world -- not in the rhetoric of political mystics and romantics borrowed from a Wonderland indefinitely situated in some golden past that never was.

I've discovered Tony Benn.

Scroll up faster, read harder and look up a statistical definition of forecast. Emotionally betting on outliers -- precisely when you desperately need them to occur, against all odds and people who control them -- is a mug's game. Then scroll down and follow my separate contribution to break up a fight over people's qualifications: a conveniently provided link to NIESR research on every major Brexit topic, which more than addresses the typical protectionist Bennite sop.

No further wall of text required. I'm really not that concerned about a group of people on YouTube, who have no power to influence our future; nor democracy nor economic policy nor its effects.

Brexit Britain -- a socialist paradise of direct democracy, jobs for life and isolation from negative effects of world trade, with all the benefits? Now that is indeed a bold prediction! I know the dream -- it's starkly unconvincing, unhinged and ungrounded.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Whilst the EU has done some good things, the fact it is an unelected, self Governing, self fulfilling, unaccountable, corrupt entity means I'm out.

 

[datalol-jack]

Whilst the EU has done some good things, the fact it is an unelected, self Governing, self fulfilling, unaccountable, corrupt entity means I'm out.

We're forever dissolving Westminster in favour of "the people" then?

 

[[TFU] Thegoon84]

Watched a bit of this, it didn't seem to show any of the positive arguments for the EU, which is a bit of a missed opportunity. The points about leaving were good, but by only showing one side of the argument they're not going to convince many people.

This is exactly what I thought... And seeing Farage there made me want to disbelieve everything that was being said.

But either way, the points about EU hit home.

* 10,000 EU workers in Brussels on more than Cameron. With their own private shopping mall... GTFO.
* Unelected unknown people running the whole of the EU
* Absolutely no way to question, debate or vote on any changes to law or rules
* Leaders are held completely unaccountable
* Its become a racketeering operation operation. By spending money on Arts, local communities etc makes thing its a good thing. When in fact for every £1 EU puts in, costs the UK £2.17.

Seriously, get us out of the EU. I cant find any decent reason to stay in. All this "but we get human rights, worker rights"... true but come on, the Tory's might go to town on all that but at least we as country can change that by DEMOCRACY!

We're forever dissolving Westminster in favour of "the people" then?

Sorry but that argument has no relevance what so ever. At least we still get a vote in the UK !

 

[helpimcrap]

So Donald Trump on the side of Brexit? You go build that wall! Oh hang on.... We've got the English channel in between... Lol.

Good job Brexit have a decent argument to leave and not relying on Donald Trump lol.

 

[Tunney]

I wish people were this passionate about our unelected second house and head of state.

 

[[TFU] Thegoon84]

I wish people were this passionate about our unelected second house and head of state.

Either have little to no power..... EU with a simple swing of the hammer banned us from fishing in our own seas.

Argument completely pointless...

 

[datalol-jack]

This is exactly what I thought... And seeing Farage there made me want to disbelieve everything that was being said.

* 10,000 EU workers in Brussels on more than Cameron. With their own private shopping mall... GTFO. You haven't seen the accounts for BoJo and much of the Civil Service and contractors then, or the actual EU budget, have you?
* Unelected unknown people running the whole of the EU Elected and known to those who care; but like the situation with local elections and officials, the national politicians and leaders will always be more known and get more publicity.
* Absolutely no way to question, debate or vote on any changes to law or rules How do you think any EU material ends up on vellums rolls?
* Leaders are held completely unaccountable National and European elections don't happen then? Resignations don't occur? Political ideologies do not change?
* Its become a racketeering operation operation. By spending money on Arts, local communities etc makes thing its a good thing. When in fact for every £1 EU puts in, costs the UK £2.17. That's Brexit arithmetic. We get back a significant discount back, investment and trade, which the Brexit lot are past beyond caring about now, it seems. There's no Brexit possible that gets us a magical money tree back.

Seriously, get us out of the EU. I cant find any decent reason to stay in. All this "but we get human rights, worker rights"... true but come on, the Tory's might go to town on all that but at least we as country can change that by DEMOCRACY! Lol, good luck unseating them with the planned boundary changes and FPTP, especially if they get Brexit. Kiss goodbye your social security, privacy and human rights whilst you're at it.

 

[helpimcrap]

Seriously, get us out of the EU. I cant find any decent reason to stay in. All this "but we get human rights, worker rights"... true but come on, the Tory's might go to town on all that but at least we as country can change that by DEMOCRACY!

The UK has a bill of human rights very similar to the EU. 1998 I think? So we've had our own for nearly 20 years....

But the EU did this, did that... Do people really think we wouldn't have evolved to the same conclusion if it was morally right?

 

[Roar87]

So Donald Trump on the side of Brexit? You go build that wall! Oh hang on.... We've got the English channel in between... Lol.

Good job Brexit have a decent argument to leave and not relying on Donald Trump lol.

Donald Trump merely said we wouldn't be back of the queue regardless of what we do, which is completely obvious and what any US President would say if they weren't trying to unfairly mislead people to do a political favour

 

[Tunney]

The UK has a bill of human rights very similar to the EU. 1998 I think? So we've had our own for nearly 20 years....

But the EU did this, did that... Do people really think we wouldn't have evolved to the same conclusion if it was morally right?

The Human Rights Act of 1998 codifies the protections given by the ECHR into UK law. The ECHR and EU are not directly related but a condition of membership of the EU is participation in the ECHR.

 

[datalol-jack]

The UK has a bill of human rights very similar to the EU. 1998 I think? So we've had our own for nearly 20 years....

But the EU did this, did that... Do people really think we wouldn't have evolved to the same conclusion if it was morally right?

Well, ECHR is a separate matter to the EU to begin with. And has probably more to do with what Theresa May thinks about political expedience than what the EU does or any universal definitions. We signed up to and championed this area of international law before we ever thought of joining EU precursors proper (Treaty of London).

However, if you're up in arms about it, it's perhaps prudent to point out that there's nothing stopping us from having said British Bill of Rights right now, without Brexit or economic damage, nor will Brexit necessarily bring about our departure from other post-war institutions such as the European Court of Human Rights or the Council of Europe.

 

[oneilldo]

Scroll up faster, read harder and look up a statistical definition of forecast. Emotionally betting on outliers -- precisely when you desperately need them to occur, against all odds and people who control them -- is a mug's game. Then scroll down and follow my separate contribution to break up a fight over people's qualifications: a conveniently provided link to NIESR research on every major Brexit topic, which more than addresses the typical protectionist Bennite sop.

No further wall of text required. I'm really not that concerned about a group of people on YouTube, who have no power to influence our future; nor democracy nor economic policy nor its effects.

Brexit Britain -- a socialist paradise of direct democracy, jobs for life and isolation from negative effects of world trade, with all the benefits? Now that is indeed a bold prediction! I know the dream -- it's starkly unconvincing, unhinged and ungrounded.

must have missed that one, apologies. I thought your EU supplied cheat sheet/flow chart was missing a page

 

[[TFU] Thegoon84]

* 10,000 EU workers in Brussels on more than Cameron. With their own private shopping mall... GTFO. You haven't seen the accounts for BoJo and much of the Civil Service and contractors then, or the actual EU budget, have you?
* Unelected unknown people running the whole of the

Elected and known to those who care; but like the situation with local elections and officials, the national politicians and leaders will always be more known and get more publicity.


* Absolutely no way to question, debate or vote on any changes to law or rules How do you think any EU material ends up on vellums rolls?

* Leaders are held completely unaccountable

National and European elections don't happen then? Resignations don't occur? Political ideologies do not change?

Yet those EU elected MEP's have little to no input on what the EU does behind closed doors.

* Its become a racketeering operation operation. By spending money on Arts, local communities etc makes thing its a good thing. When in fact for every £1 EU puts in, costs the UK £2.17. That's Brexit arithmetic.

We get back a significant discount back, investment and trade, which the Brexit lot are past beyond caring about now, it seems. There's no Brexit possible that gets us a magical money tree back.

Basic economics tho... We importmore than export, if 50% of our trade comes from the EU then that 50% is negative net import/output. Meaning by opening up to the rest of the world we could change in our favour. Not to mention that I doubt the EU would simply turn our backs on us.

Seriously, get us out of the EU. I cant find any decent reason to stay in. All this "but we get human rights, worker rights"... true but come on, the Tory's might go to town on all that but at least we as country can change that by DEMOCRACY! Lol,


good luck unseating them with the planned boundary changes and FPTP, especially if they get Brexit. Kiss goodbye your social security, privacy and human rights whilst you're at it.

That's absolute rubbish.... We're at a cross road where we could be governed and told what we should/shouldn't be by Europe and have a FPTP system which we are held ransom by the tory's... But lets face it, we created the NHS, welfare state without the EU, I'm sure we as a nation would eventually stand up and fix what has been lost/broken by the torys..

I was dead cert IN voter, but nothing as of yet has changed my opinion... Not that it matters as the outcome has already been decided.