Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
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Yeah I agree, we need a clear result. A marginal either way lacks legitimacy for the extent of the decision being made. Ignoring the desire of the 49.9% of Remain voters for instance or vice versa just feels wrong. My gut feel is 55-45 is a defensible split whether it's for stay or leave. Anything less and the question has to be re-asked in the near future. I wouldn't support taking the UK out of the EU on a 51-49 Leave win and I'm going to vote Out.
Yea...where have we heard that accusation before....
Except he is saying 66 / 33 would be classed as clear
Rubbish, a lot of us understand what a majority is, even if that is 1.
In fact a few of us have said if they tried to keep asking the same question (without any significantly different offer on the table) we would change our vote to out in protest at not accepting the result.
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I would. The vote is a simple majority vote, it is undemocratic to change the rules after the vote is held.
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I appreciate what you're saying and I have sympathy for the argument. It would be a massively devisive thing to do though. If Leave do win by a fraction maybe my opinion wil change.
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I'm 25 minutes through the Brexit movie and to be honest while it has brought up some good points about transparency in the EU. I feel it is not telling the viewer why a certain action has been taken and also misrepresenting a lot of things. Especially when comparing the productivity and regulation with the 19th century compared to now without even mentioning the conditions for workers and the huge lists of differences in the world back then.
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We're already divided. A close vote would show that the electorate is sharply divided on this. Respecting the vote wouldn't be creating new divisions; it would simple reflect existing ones.
I think the fury from denied Brexiters would be worse than any anger produced among the Remain camp by following through on a vote. While we may not like the outcome of a democratic vote, most people respect the legitimacy of its outcomes. For example: I'm gutted that the Tories won the last election, and appalled by the damage they're doing to our country but I wouldn't for a moment want to deny the fact they're the rightful government of our country; and, as much as I loathe UKIP and everything that they stand for, I think the fact that they got just 1 MP is a damning condemnation of our broken voting system.
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Why?
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Much of the remain vote will be made up of people who don't feel strongly about the issue, the reverse is true for the people who want to leave. And this is usually true of any such referendum; the people wanting to change something usually feel more strongly about it.
Anything less than a 60/40 split will leave the issue on the table. A 51/49 split would probably cause chaos in government and force a general election.
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You're going to need to explain which part of the argument presented in the following sentences to the one you quoted you don't think is a sufficient answer? That's was my reason 'why'.
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Ok, just more Remainer conceit.
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Exactly, you could see the aggression of the nationalists in the campaign during the Scottish Indy ref as an example.
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So people who are autistic are creepy ? thanks of that
No no, I meant that Osbourne isn't mildly Autistic, he is just plain creepy. He has the expression and charisma of a lung fish, and a comparable intelligence to boot.
My brother has proper Autism and I have friends with different levels of Aspergers, and I've never considered any of them creepy.
I'm fairly politics illiterate, but would some of the Tory party's stance of "Remain" come from the potential ramifications of us leaving the EU, i.e. the likely push for succession of Scotland and thus at least a partial break-up of the United Kingdom? Surely they wouldn't want to be the ruling party over such a period?
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You think that if, after an election in which the Leave camp won narrowly, it wouldn't create more rage among the Brexiters if that result wasn't respected than it would among the Remain camp?
Okay
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More scaremongering from the "remain camp"
Just announced on radio: Islamic State ISIS would be happy if the UK left the EU.
How much lower can it get? Seriously
Oh met my first remainer on Saturday evening: Wants to stay because of cheaper phone tariffs and because students can go and study abroad... Lol couldn't figure out my explaining how much of a pathetic reason the first is and how the hell do US and other nations students ever manage to come and live to study in the EU... It must be so horrendous as only a few tens of thousands manage to do it!
Just announced on radio: Islamic State ISIS would be happy if the UK left the EU.
How much lower can it get? Seriously
Oh met my first remainer on Saturday evening: Wants to stay because of cheaper phone tariffs and because students can go and study abroad... Lol couldn't figure out my explaining how much of a pathetic reason the first is and how the hell do US and other nations students ever manage to come and live to study in the EU... It must be so horrendous as only a few tens of thousands manage to do it!
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So people who are autistic are creepy ? thanks of that
They are more likely to come off as creepy, indeed. I'm not sure why that should offend you, autism is associated with poor social interactions. If someone doesn't know you're autistic, they might think you're just weird.
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Maybe I misread, but it seemed to imply a decision against Brexit would result in Brexiters kicking off, whereas a decision against Remain would result in Remainers being all calm and accepting.You think that if, after an election in which the Leave camp won narrowly, it wouldn't create more rage among the Brexiters if that result wasn't respected than it would among the Remain camp?
Okay
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No, that wasn't what I intended to say. I was carrying on the thread of discussion with PlacidCasual in which he said "I wouldn't support taking the UK out of the EU on a 51-49 Leave win and I'm going to vote Out" and I was talking about that scenario specifically.
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