I understand and sympathise.
I work in finance so am a little more interested in the economical impact as I feel I understand it more so can speak from a reasonable position.
The other layers on this crazy arse cake. Lord only knows.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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I work in finance so am a little more interested in the economical impact as I feel I understand it more so can speak from a reasonable position.
The other layers on this crazy arse cake. Lord only knows.
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They will be bombarded by information, but I doubt much of that will be unbiased. You just have to listen about national security being thrown about like it's going out of fashion to see that.
Cherry picked from both sides, no one will be informed. It would take far more than 4months to properly dissect and understand something like EU.
Maybe if it was a decade and everyone had to do a masters on it, they might be slightly informed of larger policies.
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yes it's quite clearly pulled out if thin air, it is far from hysteria.
You got any idea how big EU is and how much studying it would take to understand it?
How many in here complaining about things like vacuume cleaners have actually read the regulation? And that's something simple. Let alone the entirety if EU.
People don't need to understand it all to vote; they simply need to know the pros and cons of leaving. What is the impact? It isn't rocket science.
They won't have the pros and cons.
As seen in this thread, misinformation is rife with unshakable beliefs.
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Cherry picked doesn't mean wrong or untrue.
It means no big picture and no full understanding and as such no postion to vote.
Or shall I give you 10k. Sounds good doesn't it. Won't tell you all the details you're about to sign upto though. Just the nice cherry picked part to draw you in.
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Just because it's true doesn't mean that it's useful to anyone either. Indeed, having cherry picked information could be more detrimental than having no information at all.
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A person has lived their life under the EU rule. They know what's what. And how it's affected them.
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How do you know? That's a genuine question not a slight. Wait and see how the options are presented.
The other point I'd make is that this forum is not representative of the population. Yes, there has been a lot of sensationalism; an emotional argument is easier to sell.
Man of Honour
Yes, but EU membership isn't just for one person, it affects everyone and everyone is personally affected differently.
The question is whether the UK is better off in the EU as a whole, not just a minority group.
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While this is true, it's plainly obvious that the vast majority will vote on what suits their own lives and possible prejudices, not the UK as a whole. Doesn't give them any less right to have their say.
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And that person\family will vote on what they know. Easy really.
I knew it when it was the common market and that's when the UK went **** up.
A) there's not enough time to educate.
B. Prior form, look at Scotland referendum. Campaign on both sides was truly dreadful. If you think this will be any different there's hundreds of years of history that goes against you.
No it not's representative. But I can tell you these are common arguments. I hear them at work all the time. Which is nearly all educated working class.
Thankfully the chances are good we will stay in.
England is marginally fir staying in.
Wales is slightly stringer fir staying in
Scotland and NI are absolutely fir staying in. So even in unlikely event England swings to an out vot, it'll be so marginal, the others should swing it back to a stay in.
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I understand and sympathise.
I work in finance so am a little more interested in the economical impact as I feel I understand it more so can speak from a reasonable position.
The other layers on this crazy arse cake. Lord only knows.
True. It's too much of an onion for one person to peel without tears. Even for an info junkie like me there are limits! The bowels of Westminster and Brussels are truly endless.
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You have to consider not everyone knows everything, same with any point. Everyone wants an opinion no matter how much they know but even if they are wrong they simply need to be given the correct information not receive condescension. Lets be honest, there's misinformation in every walk of life and every vote we have is subject to some. Still, we can debate it properly rather than create a forum drama.
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We generally di not have direct democracy. So it's a moot point. Public is extremely rarely this involved in such policies.
People may want a day, doesn't mean they should. Unless they are well enough informed.
It's like the old BBC rules which were thankfully changed the other year, everything had to have the other side, so science backed up with data always had a CT counter point with no evidence, no support or anything.
Such actions are not a good way to run anything.
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I'm not suggesting it does give them any less right. What I'm saying as that society is interconnected and dependant on eachother. What is good for other people may have profound effects on you albeit indirectly; and that may not be immediately apparent.
Take the banking crisis. Whilst very few people here were directly affected, the indirect effects were widespread and profound - which is probably a root cause to why people hate bankers so much, they were effected by someone else's actions.
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I think that's a dangerous position to take. The public should be allowed to vote for something as significant as this, regardless of how well informed they are, regardless of the motivation for their choice.
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