Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?


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How do you feel we will do if on the back of an exit vote Scotland then votes to leave the UK and rejoin the EU as an independent state (this is been restated by the Scottish Government as the likely consequence to a Uk vote to leave the EU). This leaves England, Wales and NI not only outside of the EU but looking at the impact we'd see from the UK leaving the EU followed a year or two later by the break up of the UK.

It's all about Scotland again..
 
The deal our beloved PM got seems a bit of a joke, its just enough for a referendum.

If we vote out, I can see a rejigged deal being done within days to keep our cash contribution us in anyway!
 
How do you feel we will do if on the back of an exit vote Scotland then votes to leave the UK and rejoin the EU as an independent state (this is been restated by the Scottish Government as the likely consequence to a Uk vote to leave the EU). This leaves England, Wales and NI not only outside of the EU but looking at the impact we'd see from the UK leaving the EU followed a year or two later by the break up of the UK.

They can't. Any binding referendum would have to be sanctioned by Westminster (as the last one was) and they'd just block it. Whether they ran a non-binding one anyway is a different matter.

I've never understood the SNP position on this, they hark on about how they don't want to be run by Westminster despite having the biggest proportional say as to who gets in there, yet they are happy to submit their sovereignty to Brussels where they have almost zero say.
 
The deal our beloved PM got seems a bit of a joke, its just enough for a referendum.

If we vote out, I can see a rejigged deal being done within days to keep our cash contribution us in anyway!

Which is another reason to vote 'Out'. We all saw what happened in Ireland when they voted the 'wrong way', changes were made and the vote was held again.

So if you're on the fence and would have voted 'In' if Cameron had got a better deal, I would say vote 'Out' and there's a high chance a better deal will be thrashed out and another referendum is held.
 
Which is another reason to vote 'Out'. We all saw what happened in Ireland when they voted the 'wrong way', changes were made and the vote was held again.

So if you're on the fence and would have voted 'In' if Cameron had got a better deal, I would say vote 'Out' and there's a high chance a better deal will be thrashed out and another referendum is held.

I've a feeling whichever way the Vote goes, it is going to Stick.

Nate
 
More than likely "In", as the removal of European employment rights/protection combined with a majority Tory government would not bode well for workers (possibly). Of course I have concerns about some of the issues being championed by the "Out" side but these are not likely to affect me personally. Britain leaving the EU is unlikely to lead to people not wanting to come to Britain from the Middle East or North Africa, or the camps at Sangatte etc. evaporating overnight. Unless the government of the day is prepared to see people starve they know they will be clothed, fed and housed here and if they do speak a language other than their native tongue it's likely to be English. Ergo they will still come.

As an aside to the debate, how long is the result of a referendum binding on national government. While I personally think the "stay in" vote will win, what would the situation be in the event of a Brexit win but, come the next GE in 2020 and somehow Labour (or a Lab/Lib/Nationalist majority) win what is to stop them simply taking us back in again?
 
My work place is basically a 60/40 split to leave at the moment, although most of the In supporters think we should go the whole way in, i.e. Euro as well, If we don't we may as well just leave and go our own way.

I'm waiting for a credible argument from our elected MP's to change my view, I may be waiting some time ;)

The In's and Out's on GD seem to do a better job than most of them... Well done GD :D
 
The referendum has no formal binding value. Like the rest of the UK's constitution, it's more de facto than de jure. What stops them? Public outrage and a redirect for the will of the people. In practice, there would be no prospect of rejoining without a clear public majority in favour of rejoining.
 
Strikes me that when we joined in 1973 the UK was one screwed up basket case of a country, the sick man of Europe, fast forward a few decades and things have improved somewhat.

For all its many many flaws, the EU I think benefits us more than it detracts.

We should be very careful of what we wish for......
 
Have abit of faith that we, the 5th largest economy, can go it alone. Have abit of faith that British enterprises, British workers and British services are competitive and wanted beyond the EU, that we can make out own laws, our own trade deals and yes even our own immigration policy.

Oddly enough I want to stay in because I DO have a bit of faith that British Enterprise and British workers can be competitive. I mean you don't see the Germans wanting to get out because they're worried about competition from France and other EU countries!

As to make our own laws - well I'm sorry to say it but having looked at UK over the last decade and a half, having seen what New Labour have done to us and what Theresa May wants to do to us, I actually trust Brussels law makers more. Our beaches are cleaner due to EU environmental laws, we have better protection for UK workers due to EU law, food production is safer due to EU law... Honestly, the Tories will cut any corner they can for the sake of profit and Labour did just as much damage through sheer ineptitude. I'm English and happy to be English, but lets not kid ourselves that David Cameron loves us. The way some people are champing at the bit to rid ourselves of the horrible burdens of human rights protections is mind-boggling to me.

As to trade deals - well, yes, it makes perfect sense that the UK will be in a stronger negotiating position with China, India, USA, Europe when we're negotiating as a small island rather than as a big gang of powerful countries. The fact that the entire rest of the world has all congealed into giant trade blocs with NAFTA, South Asia Free Trade Association, CISFTA, Greater Arab Free Trade Area.. Hell, even Eastern and Southern Africa have a common market (COMESA)... Yes, the fact that the entire rest of the world is all signed up to be part of trade blocs is just because they're all dumb and we're really smart. I'm sure a modern but small country that stays solvent mainly through our powerful presence in the financial sector (and our financial sector would never be affected by our leaving the EU - of course!) will be able to negotiate as an equal with China, et al. Because we're Great Britain. See - it even says "Great" in the name. How could this be bad for us.

We'll just ignore that the pound has been falling steadily the more it looks possible we might leave. Because I'm sure the readers of newspapers like the FT and the Telegraph and periodicals such as The Economist are easily misled fools. Let's stick with the reliable old headlines of the Daily Mail when they talk about how the convention on human rights is causing us to be too soft on prisoners. With a font-size as big as they use, I just feel I can trust them somehow. We should really get out right now! Boris Johnson says so, and he's not some populist opportunist with designs on number 10. Oh no - Boris Johnson is a deep thinker and he only thinks about what's good for the country. If Boris says we bally-well ought to get out of the EU, well I'd be a fool not to trust him, wouldn't I?

So who's with me? Who's bloody with me? England Prevails!
 
Oddly enough I want to stay in because I DO have a bit of faith that British Enterprise and British workers can be competitive <snip>

Great post, some sensible rational points in a sea of herp derp

Because we're Great Britain. See - it even says "Great" in the name.

Someone actually said this in the audience of Question Time last week, and I don't think they were being ironic :D
 
So let's stay (Letters to the Editor, Times)...

Sir, The businesses we lead represent every sector and region of the UK. Together we employ hundreds of thousands of people across the country. Following the prime minister’s renegotiation, we believe that Britain is better off staying in a reformed European Union. He has secured a commitment from the EU to reduce the burden of regulation, deepen the single market and to sign off crucial international trade deals.

Business needs unrestricted access to the European market of 500 million people in order to continue to grow, invest and create jobs. We believe that leaving the EU would deter investment, threaten jobs and put the economy at risk. Britain will be stronger, safer and better off remaining a member of the EU.

Nicholas Judd, Founder and head of investment, 90 North Real Estate Partners LLP
Matt McLaren, Executive director, Access Ambition Consultancy Services Ltd
Tony Fernandes, Group chief executive, Air Asia and Founder, Tune Group
Paul Kahn, President, Airbus Group UK
Jacqueline Gold CBE, Chief executive, Ann Summers
Greg Hodkinson, Chairman, Arup
Andy Clarke, Chief Executive, Asda
Pascal Soriot, Chief executive, AstraZeneca
Sir Adrian Montague CBE, Chairman, Aviva
Paul Evans, Group chief executive, AXA UK & Ireland
Peter Rogers, Chief executive, Babcock International Group
Sir Roger Carr, Chairman, BAE Systems
Saghir Munir, Partner/director, Baker & Coleman Solicitors
Richard John Carter, Managing director, BASF
Ian Baxter, Chairman, Baxter Freight Limited
Una Driscoll, Managing director, Belt up Kidz
Andrew Mackenzie, Chief executive, BHP Billiton
Helen Gibbons, Director, Bizlang
Dr Ian Robertson Board, member, BMW AG
Helena Boas, Co-founder, Bodas
Bob Dudley, Chief executive, BP
Chris Grigg, Chief executive, British Land
Sir Alan Parker, Chairman, Brunswick Group
Sir Mike Rake, Chairman, BT Group
Gavin Patterson, Chief executive, BT Group
Christopher Bailey MBE, Chief executive, Burberry Group
Sir John Peace, Chairman, Burberry Group
George Iacobescu CBE, Chairman and chief executive, Canary Wharf Group
Philip Green, Chairman, Carillion
Alex Mitchell, Director, Causarma
Iain C. Conn, Chief executive, Centrica, Utilities
Sarah Golding, Chief executive and partner, CHI & Partners
Christopher Satterthwaite, Chief executive, Chime Communications Group
Laurent Lacassagne, Chairman and chief executive, Chivas Brothers
Phil Smith, Chief executive, UK and Ireland, Cisco
Sonny Leong, Chief executive, Civil Service College
Stephen Clarke, Partner/director, CJCH
Paul Walsh, Chief executive, Compass Group
Ian Breminer, Managing director, Complete Coffee
Professor Geeta Nargund, Founder and chief executive, CREATE Health
Tidjane Thiam, Chief executive, Credit Suisse
Kathryn Parsons, Co-founder and chief executive, Decoded
Cathy Owens, Director, Deryn Consulting
Ivan Menezes, Chief executive, Diageo
Peter Callahan, Director, Diamond Dispersions
Seb James, Chief executive, Dixons Carphone
Martha Lane Fox CBE, Co-founder, Doteveryone and Lastminute.com
Tim Gentles, Chief executive, Drill Board Worldwid
Dame Carolyn McCall, Chief executive; EasyJet
Lindsley Ruth, Chief executive, Electrocomponents
Liz Weatherill, Managing director, Enable2 C.I.C
Amjad Bseisu, Chief executive, Enquest
Damien Croft, Director, Esplora
Charlie Shaw, Managing director, Esteiro Business Solutions
Adam Shuter, Managing director, Exact Logistics
Roland Rudd, Chairman; FinsburyMedia
James Farley, Executive vice president and president, Europe, Ford Automotive
Nacho Morais, Director, Frank Consulting
Michael Keegan, Executive director, EMEIA, Fujitsu
Stewart Wingate, Chief executive, Gatwick Airport
Mark Elborne, UK chief executive, General Electric
Nigel Stein, Chief executive, GKN
Hazel Pegg, Director, Glastonbury Online
Richard Gnodde, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International
Michael Sherwood, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International
Tom Gosnell, Managing director, Gosnells Beverages
Rooney Anand, Chief executive, Greene King
Juliette Polge de Combret, Director, Green Rendez-Vous
Sir Andrew Witty, Chief executive, GSK
Jenny Halpern, Prince Chief executive, Halpern
David Atkins, Chief Executive, Hammerson
John Holland-Kaye, Chief executive, Heathrow
Allen Hogan, Managing director, Hogan’s Cider
Ashley Govier, Managing director, Hotel services Group
Douglas Flint CBE, Chairman, HSBC
Stuart Gulliver, Chief executive, HSBC
Mark Hutchinson, Managing director, Hutchinson Aerotech
Christian Salbaing, Deputy chairman, Hutchison Whampoa
Julian Smith, Director, I Am Enterprises Ltd
David Stokes, CEO, IBM
Dan Hydes, Managing director, Ignite Data Ltd Research
Rupert Pearce CEO, Inmarsat Tech
Ralf Speth KBE, CEO, Jaguar Land Rover
Mahmood Faiz, Director, James William Estate Agents
Jane Field, Owner/Founder, Jonny’s Sister
Katharine Pooley, Chief executive and owner, Katharine Pooley Interior design
Kelly Hoppen MBE, Director, Kelly Hoppen Interiors
Martin Dare-Edwards, Chief executive officer, Ketonex Ltd
Veronique Laury CEO, Kingfisher
Neil Clifford, Chief executive, Kurt Geiger
Ian Walker, Director, Laundry Republic Ltd
Sir Julian Horn-Smith Advisory Board Member, Letter One Technology
Patrick O’Sullivan Chairman of ERS Ltd, Lloyd’s of London
John Nelson Chairman, Lloyd’s of London
Christopher Parker Managing director, London and Scottish International Ltd
Xavier Rolet KBE CEO, London Stock Exchange
Debbie Wosskow, Chief executive officer, Love Home Swap Ltd
Tim Allen, Managing Director, M J Allen Group Ltd
Jess Burley ,Global CEO, M/ Six
Mark Reynolds, Chief Executive, Mace Group Infrastructure
Charlie Cornish, Chief Executive, Manchester Airports Group;
Martin Lamb, Director, Maple Consulting Ltd
Christopher Peer Managing Director, Maritime House Limited
Marc Bolland* CEO, Marks and Spencer
Rick Haythornthwaite, Chairman, Mastercard
Ron Dennis CBE, CEO and Chairman, McLaren Technology Group
Clare Hornby, Founder and Creative Director, ME+EM
Karen Blackett OBE, Chairwoman, MediaCom
Sir Nigel Rudd, Chairman, Meggitt Engineering
Doug Dooley, Managing Director, MICC & TRM Ltd
Byron Dixon, Chief Executive Officer, Micro-Fresh International
Kanya King MBE, CEO and Founder, MOBO Organisations Ltd
Rana Harvey, Managing Director, Monster Group (UK) Ltd
Fraser Smeaton, Chief Executive, Morphsuits
Alan Parker CBE, Chairman, Mothercare
Dean Finch, CEO, National Express Group
Steve Holliday, CEO, National Grid Utilities
Mary Nelson, Director, Nelson Browne Management Ltd
Sam Laidlaw, Chairman, Neptune Oil and Gas
Miisa Mink, Chairperson, Nordic Bakery Limited
Andrew Mitchell, Chief Executive, North East Finance Ltd
Geeta Sidhu-Robb, CEO and Founder, Nosh Detox
Stuart Rose, Chairman, Ocado Group
Tim Steiner, CEO, Ocado Group
Christina Richardson,CMO, Openr
Charlie Thuillier, Managing Director, Oppo Brothers Limited
Pia Marocco, Managing Director, Osborne & Partners
Luke Brynley-Jones, Managing Director, Our Social Times Ltd
Paul Simpson, Director, Paul Simpson Ltd
John Fallon, CEO, Pearson Publishing
Ayman Asfari, CEO, Petrofac
Graham Spencer, Executive Director, Plants for Europe Ltd
Scott Rowland, Chief Executive Officer, Precept (UK) Ltd
Mike Wells, Group Chief Executive, Prudential plc
Steve Wadey, CEO QinetiQ
Mary Quicke, Managing Director, Quickes Traditional Ltd
Raman Sehgal, Director, Ramarketing & PR Ltd
Gail Rebuck DBE, Chairman, Random House UK
Graham Chipchase, Chief Executive, Rexam
Sir Peter Rigby, CEO & Chairman, Rigby Group PLC
Jan du Plessis, Chairman, Rio Tinto Group
Warren East CBE, CEO, Rolls Royce
Ben Van Beurden CEO, Royal Dutch Shell
Stephen Hester CEO, RSA Insurance Financial Services
Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive, Ryanair
Alan Clark, CEO, SABMiller
Alison Edgar, Managing Director, Sales Coaching Solutions Ltd
Shriti Vadera, Chair, Santander UK
Nathan Bostock, CEO, Santander UK
Caroline Cole, Director, Savoir Faire Accounting Ltd
Tori Chilcott Co-Founder, ScootaTravel
Rupert Soames OBE, CEO, SERCO Infrastructure
Juergen Maier, UK CEO, Siemens Manufacturing
Mark Lyndon, Director, Signature Marketing Limited
Simon Barrow, Director, Simon Barrow Associates
Melanie Goldsmith, Director, Smith & Sinclair Ltd
Jonathan Grubin, Chief Executive Officer,SoPost Ltd
Doug Squires, Director, Squires Gear and Engineering Limited
Bill Winters, CEO, Standard Chartered
Ian Barnett, Director, Surfanic International Ltd
Dido Harding, Chief Executive, TalkTalk
Dr Heather McGregor CBE, CEO, Taylor Bennett
Ronan Dunne, Chief Executive, Telefonica O2 UK
Sara Bell CEO, Tempus Energy
Billy Walker, Managing Director, The Benriach Distillery Company Ltd
Daniel Williams, Managing Director, The Bottle Shop (Penarth) Ltd
Jay Risbridger, Director, The Green Stationery Company Ltd
Sally Greene OBE, Chief Executive, The Old Vic
Margo Marrone, Co-Founder,The Organic Pharmacy
Rory Curnock Cook, Director, The Profs Tuition Ltd
Lady Ruth Rogers MBE, Owner, The River Café
Niamh Barker, Managing Director, The Travelwrap Company Ltd,
John Harries, Proprietor, Three Horseshoes Inn
Stephen Weil, Managing DirectorTI Partners
Lloyd Dorfman, President, Travelex
Bernardo Ivo Cruz, Global Managing Partner, True Bridge Consultancy
Peter Long, Supervisory Board Member & former Chief Executive, TUI Travel
Olivier Dochez, Chief Executive Officer, Two Guys From Brussels
Rakesh Sharma, Chief Executive, Ultra Electronics Holdings
Paul Polman, CEO, Unilever
Lucian Grainge CBE, Chairman and CEO, Universal Music Group
Luis Arriaga, Managing Director, UPS UK Ltd
Kate Unsworth, Founder and CEO,Vinaya
Peter Berry, Managing Partner, VIP Labels
Tom Mockridge, Chief Executive, Virgin Media
Jayne-Anne Gadhia, CEO, Virgin Money
Ian Taylor, CEO and President, Vitol Energy
Vittorio Colao, CEO Vodafone
Sir Peter Kendall, Director, W J Kendall Contracting Limited
Stefano Pessina, Executive Vice Chairman and CEO, Walgreens Boots Alliance
Kasim Ali, Director, Waterloo Tea Limited
Keith Cochrane, Chief Executive, Weir Group,Engineering
Sir Terence Matthews, Chairman,Wesley Clover
Karren Brady, Vice-Chairman, West Ham FC
Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO, WPP; Creative Industries
Dr Uwe Kruger, Chief Executive,WS Atkins
Rich Clothier, Managing Director, Wyke Farms

The big guns first their opening salvo and they have a right to be concerned. Can we add their vote to the poll...
 
From another dodgy thread...

Spoke with one of HSBC executive last night, he's saying several banks will shut down and realocate into mainland Europe. Investors already pulling back and mass unemployment predicted. Those in favour of course will sit well with the lack of competition and new movement restrictions. Visa's to be reintroduced and import tax will rocket, don't go abroad shopping. Export markets will shrink as we have no trade deals. Imports will double in costs. Trade debt will hit the roof and the tax payer will pick up the bill. But we won't have to give benefit to foreigners although they've already pinched our jobs. Oh and we can have a new contract of employment, more working hours for less pay, excellent, more profit gor the company and those who want out.

Comedy gold or not?
 
So let's stay (Letters to the Editor, Times)...



The big guns first their opening salvo and they have a right to be concerned. Can we add their vote to the poll...

I can't help noticing that two thirds of FTSE100 chiefs didn't put their name to that letter - the remain campaign were expecting half of them to. This should be seen as a marginal victory for the Leave campaign.
 
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