Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[robfosters]

True, even US, Japan and Australia have exceptional categories for 'high value' individuals. A category can be defined as an absolute exception: we need them, let them in; or as an immigration points boost on an X type of visa. This can of course include doctors and nurses, scientists, some students, etc; but a person who's guaranteed a job and a high salary might also get a bump up.

Swings and roundabouts.

Particularly when some have to pay upwards of £2m tax per year!

 

[Destination]

There's far greater knock on effects with footballers than ordinary citizens though.

Are most large teams not owned by abroad now?
Does football money, massive as it is, not leave the country over time, through players wages and companies extracting it, or piling increasing debt upon the franchises through acquisitions?

 

[robfosters]

Are most large teams not owned by abroad now?
Does football money, massive as it is, not leave the country over time, through players wages and companies extracting it, or piling increasing debt upon the franchises through acquisitions?

To a degree, but I'm talking about everyday folk. Top footballers give enjoyment to the fans, they inspire children, they make clubs more successful which often leads to expansion and more jobs.

This is the reason I get annoyed when people moan about their 'obscene wages'. It's not obscene. Nearly half goes from the rich football club to the taxman and those wages could indirectly lead to much better lives for ordinary people.

I really think the impact top footballers have on the country is understated.

Just look at what Riyad Mahrez has done for Leicester. They are challenging for the premier league title. It onwards and upwards for Leicester. Happy fans, happy staff and more jobs. They wouldn't be where they are without him.

 

[kitch9]

Are most large teams not owned by abroad now?
Does football money, massive as it is, not leave the country over time, through players wages and companies extracting it, or piling increasing debt upon the franchises through acquisitions?

It would be difficult for them to prove that their business is done outside the UK to not pay tax on it regardless of whoever owns them.

 

[Tosno]

Just look at what Riyad Mahrez has done for Leicester.

Missed 3 penalties and cost me £12 on goals mean more

 

[413x]

I was on the abstain side

But with all this immigration nonsense, and eu really trying to stop us having our own way I would vote out.

If we get guarantees we can control our borders, pay less to the eu and basically move more towards an old economic/trade network I'll vote in

If these guarantees don't materialise or are too watered down (likely) I'll vote put

 

[TNGL]

I am still baffled as to why people wish to not remain in the EU. The benefits we receive are great and in my opinion (and from the figures I last looked at a couple of years ago) outweigh the costs of immigration and fees. Perhaps if the UK focused on its structural issues and improved the quality of its work force then there would be no threat of immigrants taking 'their' jobs. Imagine what a shambles it would be if the NHS relied solely on British doctors and not those from abroad who've chosen to practise here... The day I hear a medicine graduate isn't able to get a job because Mr Andrzejewski from Poland has filled the position instead, will never be observed. Immigration does have its benefits. In regards to immigrants claiming benefits, from what I remember it is a lot harder to claim than what it was before and much harder to maintain a reliance on benefits in the case of EEA immigrant claimants.

The UK is a gateway for many firms to gain access to the EU and great economic benefits come with this, so I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of these firms took their economic benefits and moved headquarters if we did exit the EU. Not only that, but Britain's influence in global affairs has dwindled greatly over the years - perhaps the EU is a force to be reckoned with if we want to maintain our influence in the world.

I could carry on, but these are the main points I've taken into consideration to arrive at how I will vote.

 

[Outcast]

Mind Manipulation

 

[Roar87]

I am still baffled as to why people wish to not remain in the EU. The benefits we receive are great and in my opinion (and from the figures I last looked at a couple of years ago) outweigh the costs of immigration and fees. Perhaps if the UK focused on its structural issues and improved the quality of its work force then there would be no threat of immigrants taking 'their' jobs. Imagine what a shambles it would be if the NHS relied solely on British doctors and not those from abroad who've chosen to practise here... The day I hear a medicine graduate isn't able to get a job because Mr Andrzejewski from Poland has filled the position instead, will never be observed. Immigration does have its benefits. In regards to immigrants claiming benefits, from what I remember it is a lot harder to claim than what it was before and much harder to maintain a reliance on benefits in the case of EEA immigrant claimants.

The UK is a gateway for many firms to gain access to the EU and great economic benefits come with this, so I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of these firms took their economic benefits and moved headquarters if we did exit the EU. Not only that, but Britain's influence in global affairs has dwindled greatly over the years - perhaps the EU is a force to be reckoned with if we want to maintain our influence in the world.

I could carry on, but these are the main points I've taken into consideration to arrive at how I will vote.

The great thing about being out of the EU is that we can decide who we want to let in, we can have more people from common wealth countries for example and less from Eastern Europe. Britain will always have influence on the world, we have a massive economy and are permanent members of the UN security council.

 

[eatcustard]

Sorry quite long read but interesting read.

Are YOU aware of The EU plot to strip the UK of its sovereignty?
The Five Presidents Report and the next EU Treaty

The UK’s relationship with the EU is going to change radically over the next few years regardless of the vote in the referendum. If we vote 'leave' and take back control, our relationship will change. If we vote to 'remain', then the EU will keep taking more power and money every year as it has for decades. Further, the EU has its official timetable for another Treaty soon after our referendum which will transfer more power to Brussels. There is no status quo.

The Commission gave the first insight into what new powers it wants when it published a key report: ‘Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union’. Dubbed the ‘Five Presidents’ Report’, this document commits the EU to the creation of a ‘genuine Economic Union’, a ‘Financial Union’, a ‘Fiscal Union’ and a ‘Political Union’ by 2025.

Before the EU makes a bid for more powers it always sets out its agenda in a similar document. In 1989 the Commission published the Delors Report, which led to the Maastricht Treaty. In the early 2000s, the ‘Penelope Report’ provided the basis for the European Constitution (and then the Lisbon Treaty). The Five Presidents’ Report is an explicit milestone for a new Treaty.

The Report makes clear that fiscal union will ‘be developed within the framework of the European Union’, meaning that the UK will be dragged in. It also argues that that ‘much can be achieved through a deepening of the Single Market’. The Government says that this process simply means promoting competitiveness, but the report reveals that, once again, this is just another disguised power grab, aiming for the ‘deeper integration of national labour markets’, greater ‘coordination of social security systems’, and harmonising ‘insolvency law’, ‘company law’ and ‘property rights’.

The Report’s plans for Eurozone integration have big dangers for Britain. As the Eurozone 'political union' is created, the 19 euro countries, which now have a permanent qualified majority in the Council of Ministers, will increasingly vote as a bloc and push through legislation which suits their interests. This means that however many times the UK votes against proposals the Eurozone will always win and will always have control over the laws that are introduced here. This is already happening as George Osborne admitted in 2014. The ‘Five Presidents’ Report’ accelerates this process.

The document also proposes abolishing the UK’s representation on key international bodies where global regulations and standards are increasingly set. The Five Presidents argue that the EU must act ‘with one voice on the global stage’. In particular, it complains that ‘in the international financial institutions, the EU and the euro area are still not represented as one.’ It singles out the IMF as one such example.

Once again, the European Commission is claiming that the only solution to the Eurozone crisis is ‘more Europe’. Nowhere does the report acknowledge the contribution of the euro to the present crisis - it even claims that the euro ‘is a successful and stable currency’. The Five Presidents’ Report makes clear that the Commission hasn’t learnt anything and plans more of the same.

It is possible that a combination of the EU's crises (the euro, migration, stagnation) and this timetable for a new Treaty could become entangled with the UK renegotiation. For example, all 28 EU states may announce both a) a process for a new EU Treaty and b) a promise that this new Treaty will give Britain some things back in the future if we vote to remain in the EU in our referendum. On 25 October, the Sunday Telegraph reported that Cameron is planning something like this, perhaps using a smokescreen such as depositing the document with the UN which, according to the UN itself, would not have any legal effect.

Whatever the politicians claim, the best thing to do is to Vote Leave and force the politicians to start negotiating. This is much safer than to vote 'remain' and trust that politicians might change things years in the future. Don't trust them. A 'leave' vote is our best bet to avoid being cheated.

There is no status quo. Voting to 'remain' is the truly risky option. Vote Leave and take control - it's the safer choice.

 

[kindai]

No idea if any of that is true, but if so, how could anyone vote to remain on the back of it?

 

[Zethor]

You fail to show in your conspiracy rambling how the UK will be forced to join a closer political union, should the EU take steps in that direction.

 

[Outcast]

You fail to show in your conspiracy rambling how the UK will be forced to join a closer political union, should the EU take steps in that direction.

I suspect you don't really need that explaining to you do you ?

 

[Zethor]

I suspect you don't really need that explaining to you do you ?

I would very much like to see a rational explanation but that's the thing with paranoid rambling, it's not based on logic so it's impossible to offer one.

 

[eatcustard]

You fail to show in your conspiracy rambling how the UK will be forced to join a closer political union, should the EU take steps in that direction.

I think the out gunned my member states answers it for you

 

[datalol-jack]

Enough with the party political broadcast format. We'll go around in circles forever this way. No offence, but that channel was just poor. For others, the aforementioned report and future EU priorities are to be found here:

The Five Presidents' Report

http://ec.europa.eu/priorities/index_en

Click on the section of interest and, past the summaries, you'll find relevant documents attached.

Feel free to make your own mind up based on the source and not its selective quoting. Particularly look at how the quoted terms are actually defined in context, and what they really mean for us. Also, consider the fact that either outcome of the upcoming referendum will have an impact; this won't be reflected in the paperwork for some time after.

How many official reports come out of Westminster? How many get implemented verbatim or in part? You'll find the ratio is much the same in Europe, and always depends on the political mood. Now, do you honestly think anyone in Europe would be putting up any new treaties, or major treaty changes, before the electorate if that would trigger several referendums across the board and panic the markets? 2025 is 9 years away. It just won't happen!

But what's this? EU respects and works within the framework of international law and formal consultation with its member states, regardless of how difficult that may be in practice -- no way! Well, again, here's the site where you can knock yourself out with the formalities and procedures of the workings of the EU:

International Agreements (specifies all the exceptions where EU bodies could act as a bloc without QM):
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:l14532

The rest:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/browse/summaries.html

Enjoy! If you see loopholes allowing for a tyrannical infringement of your democratic rights and unfair discrimination, going directly against the EU constitution, you can freely file a case with the EoJ on that basis.

For the record, we have plans drawn up for military action against America... will they ever come to pass? I love alternative history just as much as the next man, but please -- we're not playing a Paradox Interactive title here!

 

[datalol-jack]

I would very much like to see a rational explanation but that's the thing with paranoid rambling, it's not based on logic so it's impossible to offer one.

I never understood emotional echo chambers on GD. But if that's the new politics of the day, I can understand why politicians resort to evasiveness, silence or outright demagoguery to get their work done. It's like whipping the ocean -- you just can't get through!

 

[Randomface74]

I don't recall Donald Tusk being elected as Prime Minister's Boss.... so quite annoyed by recent news.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Sorry quite long read but interesting read.

Are YOU aware of The EU plot to strip the UK of its sovereignty?
The Five Presidents Report and the next EU Treaty

The UK’s relationship with the EU is going to change radically over the next few years regardless of the vote in the referendum. If we vote 'leave' and take back control, our relationship will change. If we vote to 'remain', then the EU will keep taking more power and money every year as it has for decades. Further, the EU has its official timetable for another Treaty soon after our referendum which will transfer more power to Brussels. There is no status quo.

The Commission gave the first insight into what new powers it wants when it published a key report: ‘Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union’. Dubbed the ‘Five Presidents’ Report’, this document commits the EU to the creation of a ‘genuine Economic Union’, a ‘Financial Union’, a ‘Fiscal Union’ and a ‘Political Union’ by 2025.

Before the EU makes a bid for more powers it always sets out its agenda in a similar document. In 1989 the Commission published the Delors Report, which led to the Maastricht Treaty. In the early 2000s, the ‘Penelope Report’ provided the basis for the European Constitution (and then the Lisbon Treaty). The Five Presidents’ Report is an explicit milestone for a new Treaty.

The Report makes clear that fiscal union will ‘be developed within the framework of the European Union’, meaning that the UK will be dragged in. It also argues that that ‘much can be achieved through a deepening of the Single Market’. The Government says that this process simply means promoting competitiveness, but the report reveals that, once again, this is just another disguised power grab, aiming for the ‘deeper integration of national labour markets’, greater ‘coordination of social security systems’, and harmonising ‘insolvency law’, ‘company law’ and ‘property rights’.

The Report’s plans for Eurozone integration have big dangers for Britain. As the Eurozone 'political union' is created, the 19 euro countries, which now have a permanent qualified majority in the Council of Ministers, will increasingly vote as a bloc and push through legislation which suits their interests. This means that however many times the UK votes against proposals the Eurozone will always win and will always have control over the laws that are introduced here. This is already happening as George Osborne admitted in 2014. The ‘Five Presidents’ Report’ accelerates this process.

The document also proposes abolishing the UK’s representation on key international bodies where global regulations and standards are increasingly set. The Five Presidents argue that the EU must act ‘with one voice on the global stage’. In particular, it complains that ‘in the international financial institutions, the EU and the euro area are still not represented as one.’ It singles out the IMF as one such example.

Once again, the European Commission is claiming that the only solution to the Eurozone crisis is ‘more Europe’. Nowhere does the report acknowledge the contribution of the euro to the present crisis - it even claims that the euro ‘is a successful and stable currency’. The Five Presidents’ Report makes clear that the Commission hasn’t learnt anything and plans more of the same.

It is possible that a combination of the EU's crises (the euro, migration, stagnation) and this timetable for a new Treaty could become entangled with the UK renegotiation. For example, all 28 EU states may announce both a) a process for a new EU Treaty and b) a promise that this new Treaty will give Britain some things back in the future if we vote to remain in the EU in our referendum. On 25 October, the Sunday Telegraph reported that Cameron is planning something like this, perhaps using a smokescreen such as depositing the document with the UN which, according to the UN itself, would not have any legal effect.

Whatever the politicians claim, the best thing to do is to Vote Leave and force the politicians to start negotiating. This is much safer than to vote 'remain' and trust that politicians might change things years in the future. Don't trust them. A 'leave' vote is our best bet to avoid being cheated.

There is no status quo. Voting to 'remain' is the truly risky option. Vote Leave and take control - it's the safer choice.

England will become within the EU that N Ireland is within the UK, the tail on the rump.

 

[izzop]

You fail to show in your conspiracy rambling how the UK will be forced to join a closer political union, should the EU take steps in that direction.

I would very much like to see a rational explanation but that's the thing with paranoid rambling, it's not based on logic so it's impossible to offer one.

What a very, very short memory people have when it comes to the great European Union...

Not wanting to repeat myself, but..

We weren't given a chance to vote when it came to the changes brought in by the Maastricht Treaty.

Do you honestly put that much faith in our politicians, regardless of party, that similar will never happen again?

I certainly don't, nobody should!

The sooner people wake up and realise that the European Union is on the road to failure the better. There really isn't that much Unity through the EU, now is there.