Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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IMO the EU is a big win when it comes to law making within the domains of consumer and competition law (things that benefit you and I). No only is it openly consumer biased, it widens the funnel of 'input' required to make law making decisions. Perhaps akin to how the the flower accelerated the biodiversity of the angiosperms (serious!). Obviously, it's pretty slow... But mighty.

If there's anything that's trying to save you from the wrath of big businesses and the banks, it's the EU.

The other elements, such as immigration and politics, exist outside of the pros to me as a seperate category of "things to be regulated and / or improved", rather than reasons to leave.
 
platypus said:
It's been said many times but you might have missed it: the European Court of Human Rights is nothing to do with the EU.
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The ever-expanding European Court of Justice is though, which seems to rule against Britain more often than not e.g. ruling that non-EU spouses of Irish citizens have to be let into Britain, and that some prisoners should be allowed to vote.
 
Voted out

Was on the fence before. But this migrant crisis and the unwillingness of the eu to let UK have its way in 4 years no benefits just grinds me

I think the eu would suffer without us, I really think they don't want a strong (relative) economy to leave.. But damn they are doing a good job to push us out
 
Nitefly said:
IMO the EU is a big win when it comes to law making within the domains of consumer and competition law (things that benefit you and I). No only is it openly consumer biased, it widens the funnel of 'input' required to make law making decisions. Perhaps akin to how the the flower accelerated the biodiversity of the angiosperms (serious!). Obviously, it's pretty slow... But mighty.

If there's anything that's trying to save you from the wrath of big businesses and the banks, it's the EU.

The other elements, such as immigration and politics, exist outside of the pros to me as a seperate category of "things to be regulated and / or improved", rather than reasons to leave.
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Good post
 
robfosters said:
But why can't we implement these laws and protections ourselves?
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We can, prior to the EU we had the Monopolies and Mergers Commission which was a fairly robust at examining mergers. Does anyone really think the EU is going to block Three's acquisition of O2 even though it reduces the number of mobile phone networks? By the way, it was the European Commission that decided that the UK was not allowed to examine this merger itself. We've already seen Three putting up its prices even before the EU regulator has approved it...

I think there's a real problem with big business lobbying in Brussels, unlike in the USA over here there's no requirement for businesses to publicise how much they spend on lobbying and I just don't have any confidence that there's adequate transparency and oversight in the EU.
 
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robgmun said:
Wow, after DC's statement yesterday the gap in the poll between In and Out grew quite a bit!! :D
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If only this site was a mirror of public opinion, sadly the Out voters have no chance because even if by some miracle we voted Out that would mean little.

The EU would go into crisis and we would be offered just enough to turn a few percent back to IN, the second referendum would be held and we're staying by quite a large majority.

It's not as if the EU hasn't got form for making people vote twice.

The Tory party will never take us out of Europe, we're staying In by hook or by crook.
 
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I'm wondering whether to vote or not. You might think it selfish to not bother, but I have no real knowledge on the benefits or problems, and I don't have the time to learn. Not that my one vote would decided anything.

Not sure what to do, or who to believe.
 
scorza said:
The ever-expanding European Court of Justice is though, which seems to rule against Britain more often than not e.g. ruling that non-EU spouses of Irish citizens have to be let into Britain, and that some prisoners should be allowed to vote.
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The ECJ has never ruled against the UK's blanket ban on prisoners voting.

The ECHR ruled the ban unlawful. The government ignored its ruling, as it is allowed to do under the Human Rights Act.
 
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Tunney said:
The ECJ has never ruled against the UK's blanket ban on prisoners voting.

The ECHR ruled the ban unlawful. The government ignored its ruling, as it is allowed to do under the Human Rights Act.
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IIRC the ECJ ruled that we were allowed to prevent some prisoners from voting, but not all. Actually they ruled that France was allowed to do this, I expect they'd arrive at a different result if we'd have brought the case :p
 
scorza said:
IIRC the ECJ ruled that we were allowed to prevent some prisoners from voting, but not all. Actually they ruled that France was allowed to do this, I expect they'd arrive at a different result if we'd have brought the case :p
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That's just your confirmation bias :p
 
Nitefly said:
IMO the EU is a big win when it comes to law making within the domains of consumer and competition law (things that benefit you and I). No only is it openly consumer biased, it widens the funnel of 'input' required to make law making decisions. Perhaps akin to how the the flower accelerated the biodiversity of the angiosperms (serious!). Obviously, it's pretty slow... But mighty.

If there's anything that's trying to save you from the wrath of big businesses and the banks, it's the EU.

The other elements, such as immigration and politics, exist outside of the pros to me as a seperate category of "things to be regulated and / or improved", rather than reasons to leave.
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I'd suggest you have your priorities back to front. You're willing to see your nation flooded by immigrants and its sovereignty lost so you can use your phone cheaply when on holiday? I mean, without wishing to be rude, that seems pretty vacuous. Is that all we are now, consumer drones?
 
robfosters said:
But why can't we implement these laws and protections ourselves?
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The crux of that is 'do you trust the law making powers of this country to put the interests of people fairly in mind with that of businesses'. My view is that this country is very must pro-businesses whilst the EU keeps it in check by closing down on malpractices.

Just a question of trust I suppose. However, just as a fleeting example of the law making process see the explanatory note to the Consumer Rights Act 2015. It actually clearly makes light of some negatives of the process - namely inconsistencies and the lack of harmonisation of law within the UK... Although perhaps that is actually the fault of our own legal bods messing it up the first time around, I suppose :p
 
This may be a silly question, but I've been out of the loop with regards to the upcoming EU Referendum...

If the UK was to vote to leave the EU - Would that mean we can't travel/work freely within Europe as we can now?

If so, what happens to the people from the UK currently working in Europe?
 
The real issue is how long will the EU keep up its consumer rights facade?

Eventually the EU will have to be competitive compared to the free for all in the West and East, I imagine they'll swiftly abandon any care for the simple pleb.

It is the fate of all good human ideas, to corrupt and malaise.
 
StriderX said:
The real issue is how long will the EU keep up its consumer rights facade?

Eventually the EU will have to be competitive compared to the free for all in the West and East, I imagine they'll swiftly abandon any care for the simple pleb.

It is the fate of all good human ideas, to corrupt and malaise.
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And you are basing this opinion on....?

As all the evidence so far seems to point to the opposite, it couldn't just be your own personal bias could it?
 
Freakbro said:
And you are basing this opinion on....?

As all the evidence so far seems to point to the opposite, it couldn't just be your own personal bias could it?
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Optimism is rather insidious, I think.

Easy to abuse someone if they think it helps them, Greece is a case of overexposure to this.
 
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