Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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We'd have to negotiate that as part of our exit from the EU. It's likely that there will be some restrictions like having to obtain a work permit to work in the EU, but overall I wouldn't expect the number of Brits living and working within the EU to fall significantly.
Almost certainly nothing, just like nothing will happen to the EU citizens currently living and working in the EU. I'd expect any changes to the rules concerning UK/EU immigration would apply to future would-be immigrants.
Since everyone seems to think Cameron can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag, what hope do you think he would have in brokering a favourable deal for us in a Brexit situation?
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Cameron would probably be gone if there was an out vote, so that is probably moot. But I am pretty sure the EU will want to reach an amicable deal pretty quickly anyway, because it will have an impact on them too. Ireland in particular will push for a quick resolution.
So... the ECJ ruled that in a French case the prisoner voting ban was okay in a particular case but somehow you think this constitutes them ruling that the UK prisoner voting ban is not okay?
The rulings on the UK ban on prisoner voting have come from the ECHR not the ECJ, as I said.
Really?
"Fury caught on film as MEPs 'sign in and slope off'"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ht-on-film-as-MEPs-sign-in-and-slope-off.html
Bunch of crooks.
Hmm, not so sure. He has already said he's standing down at the end of this term, would that go against him and leave earlier if he lost the vote or would he just see out the term, I honestly don't know.
That's true and probably the main thing in our favour that it's in their interests to get a deal sorted quickly and amicably for their benefit. But, I feel they would hold the upper hand in the negotions as it would be what, 27 against 1 then - and it's hard enough negotiating now when we are in and have power!
I don't think anyone could do any better at EU negotiations tbh, we're powerless in Brussels and Cameron knows that which is why he asked for so little. Something tells me that if we get a Leave vote in the referendum then we'll be taken a bit more seriously in any subsequent negotiations.
And that's different from our MPs and Lords how?
All* politicians are a bunch of crooks
*maybe not every single one...
You don't think Maggie would have done a better job than Cameron?
I just don't see how being outside of the club is going to give us more power in negotiating than being at the head table.
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The biggest change we will likely see if we left the EU would likely be in the price of goods imported from within the eu (food and other stuff). The argument of 'they need us more than we need them' cannot be easily applied when comparing how much we import with how much we export within the EU as leaving the EU will not alleviate demand for imported goods (especially considering we are far more reliant on imported goods than most countries) and will allow the government to more easily impose tariffs which us as consumers will end up paying for when importing goods and British companies will end up paying for when exporting goods.
All this taking back Britain argument may float for some people but i would rather the EU keep control over trade tariffs than be forced to pay the increase in cost of goods so British big wigs can fill their pockets further with my Brie money.
Prisoners right to vote pales in importance next to matters like potential additional costs in EU trade where we as consumers or businesses will end up paying for.
All this taking back Britain argument may float for some people but i would rather the EU keep control over trade tariffs than be forced to pay the increase in cost of goods so British big wigs can fill their pockets further with my Brie money.
Prisoners right to vote pales in importance next to matters like potential additional costs in EU trade where we as consumers or businesses will end up paying for.
And, since right to vote is a judgement from the ECHR leaving the EU wouldn't - on it's own - make any difference to it anyway.
Did we pay more when we wasn't in the EU? I don't think we did..
You don't think Maggie would have done a better job than Cameron?
I just don't see how being outside of the club is going to give us more power in negotiating than being at the head table.
OK, I should have added "... of the current crop of politicians".
The reason why we'd have more power is simple, outside the EU our economy would be 20% of the size of the EU, which they need access to and we need access to, ergo you have the basis for a mutually beneficial agreement to be reached. Inside the EU we can be ignored as we're just one voice among 28.
It's like the world trade agreements, currently the EU negotiates on our behalf, but they also negotiate on behalf of every other EU nation and when they do that I just think they have to take the view that they do what's best for most of the EU, which is often to the UK's detriment as we have a very different economy. IMO we'd be far better negotiating ourselves so we can get a deal more suited for our economy.
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You don't think Maggie would have done a better job than Cameron?
I think Daniel Hannan or perhaps even Rees Mog would have got a much better deal than DC, it might have taken a few months longer but heck, the deal might have been good enough deal to stay in the EU!
All I read here is the 'In' argument spending more time looking for flaws in the 'out' argument.
Surely leaving the EU will allow us to get the best deal out of countries that are not in the EU.... China and Indian for example.
Plus I would suspect that trading more with the commonwealth would be more beneficial.
We can manage ourselves in Splendid Isolation from Europe for all I care.
Surely leaving the EU will allow us to get the best deal out of countries that are not in the EU.... China and Indian for example.
Plus I would suspect that trading more with the commonwealth would be more beneficial.
We can manage ourselves in Splendid Isolation from Europe for all I care.
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