Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[Avenged7Fold]

Did we pay more when we wasn't in the EU? I don't think we did..

we would likely pay more if we left though, hell tampons are still taxed as luxury goods these days. Today's crop of government has absolutely no problem grabbing money from the average British bloke and wont hesitate at increasing the amount they grab if it was in their power, especially through import/export tariffs as the average bloke will not attribute the increase in cost of his usual grocery shop to government decisions.

 

[Nitefly]

Really?
"Fury caught on film as MEPs 'sign in and slope off'"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ht-on-film-as-MEPs-sign-in-and-slope-off.html


Bunch of crooks.

That's malpractice yes, but nothing to do with the process I was describing

I feel that some people aren't going to change their mind. It's a constant barrage of 'oh yeah what about this different point' rather than considering what's actually being presented.

 

[Freakbro]

I think people forget that some of the 20% VAT goes to the EU.

So? We know we are an overall contributor, being such a wealthy country, what is important is the overall level of contribution (netted off from what we receive of course) not from which tax pot it comes from

In fact we have to charge VAT because the EU says so.

Are you trying to infer that if we left the EU we would scrap VAT?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Hmm, not so sure. He has already said he's standing down at the end of this term, would that go against him and leave earlier if he lost the vote or would he just see out the term, I honestly don't know.

He'd be forced out. The Pro-EU Tories will blame him for the referendums failure, and the Anti-EU Tories will be glad to see the back of him. Plus, it's rare PM's survive such catastrophic defeats.

That's true and probably the main thing in our favour that it's in their interests to get a deal sorted quickly and amicably for their benefit. But, I feel they would hold the upper hand in the negotions as it would be what, 27 against 1 then - and it's hard enough negotiating now when we are in and have power!

Yes, it would be 27 against 1. But 27 with very divergent interests and varied levels of loyalty to the EU project. Some will be on our side from the start.

Ireland would be desperate to resolve any issues because so much of their economy is dependent on us. The likes of the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Hungary would be sympathetic to us as they are pretty Euro sceptic anyway and some of them may actually follow us out the door.

I doubt the Eastern Europe nations will be too punishing, because the Baltic's and Poland are asking us to provide them military support under the auspices of NATO. We have a lot of sway in NATO so they'll want to keep us on side.

In fact the only reason I can see the EU acting in a hostile manner is if they wanted to stop other nation leaving, and thus aimed to punish us. But I expect the likes of Ireland would make that very difficult for them to do.

France might want to play hard ball, because the French love to play up their power and influence. But I think even they will settle for a fair deal because we're a major trade and security partner, and a useful partner if things don't work out in the post Brexit EU.

 

[scorza]

we would likely pay more if we left though, hell tampons are still taxed as luxury goods these days. Today's crop of government has absolutely no problem grabbing money from the average British bloke and wont hesitate at increasing the amount they grab if it was in their power, especially through import/export tariffs as the average bloke will not attribute the increase in cost of his usual grocery shop to government decisions.

Interesting you mentioned the tampon tax, because it's EU rules that forces us to apply VAT to tampons - we apply the 5% VAT rate which is the lowest allowed.

 

[deuse]

That's malpractice yes, but nothing to do with the process I was describing

I feel that some people aren't going to change their mind. It's a constant barrage of 'oh yeah what about this different point' rather than considering what's actually being presented.

Still part of the EU which ever way you look at it. And nothing is done to them. Wonder how much the big guys get?

The EU refused to carry out a study into corruption in its own institutions in 2014. Wonder why!

 

[Schlong&Stable]

And the EU is trying to force us to charge VAT on food too.

 

[Freakbro]

And the EU is trying to force us to charge VAT on food too.

Well, it's been mentioned by one guy and retracted (from what I read) so a bit of a non-story as far as I could see.

And because we are in the EU and have the veto it wouldn't get anywhere anyway, that's like, one of those benefits of being a member

 

[troops]

My problem is i can't think of one major reason to stay in.

 

[Ricochet J]

As an engineer leaving the EU scares me.

 

[deuse]

Well, it's been mentioned by one guy and retracted (from what I read) so a bit of a non-story as far as I could see.

And because we are in the EU and have the veto it wouldn't get anywhere anyway, that's like, one of those benefits of being a member

Wrong.
Cameron said yesterday that "the UK is not committed to further political integration into the European Union"

The EU in turn said "you don't get to veto anything, if that's what you want"

 

[Lima]

As an engineer leaving the EU scares me.

Why?

 

[deuse]

As an engineer leaving the EU scares me.

Can I ask why? Engineers did ok before.

beaten to it.

 

[Freakbro]

Wrong.
Cameron said yesterday that "the UK is not committed to further political integration into the European Union"

The EU in turn said "you don't get to veto anything, if that's what you want"

Can you provide a link to read? I didn't hear much news yesterday

 

[Randomface74]

My problem is i can't think of one major reason to stay in.

same

 

[stewski]

Why?

Job security, I'm guessing?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Interesting you mentioned the tampon tax, because it's EU rules that forces us to apply VAT to tampons - we apply the 5% VAT rate which is the lowest allowed.

I do not doubt that we would pay less tax in some products but overall it is the consumer which will lose out tax wise in the UK if we leave. The reason I prefer being in the eu when it comes to talking tax is because it acts as a body which prevents giving too much power to our government concerning tax on imported/exported goods.

 

[John40]

I'm amazed with how long this has been going on that people still say they don't know which way they will vote.
I would say if you still can't make your mind up don't bother at all.

 

[deuse]

Can you provide a link to read? I didn't hear much news yesterday

I'm surprised you missed it. The EU have been saying it since last year.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/02/britain-eu-veto-opt-out-david-cameron

Cameron admitted that the EU wants to become a super state.
So our government will end up like our councils are now. And who would run this state?

Glad my children can leave the UK when they want.

 

[Cosimo]

Can you provide a link to read? I didn't hear much news yesterday

References to blocking/veto (Times):

National parliaments across Europe would be given the power to block unwanted EU legislation in a move that David Cameron will claim would mean MPs’ voices were heard loud and clear in Brussels.

The proposal will be included in a draft legal text for a settlement between Britain and the European Union. It will be tabled at midday today as a follow-up to high-level talks between diplomats yesterday.

After making “good progress” at the talks in Brussels, the prime minister is on track to secure a package of reforms that would protect Britain’s economy and national sovereignty in time for the referendum on Britain’s EU membership, which could take place as early as June.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, will table a 10 to 12-page draft agreement with the aim of getting a final deal at a summit that begins in Brussels on February 18.

Britain’s right to limit benefits for European Union migrants will be at the mercy of MEPs who can veto the move under watered-down reforms secured by David Cameron yesterday.

The prime minister won the chance to implement an “emergency brake” on in-work benefits if Britain votes this year to remain in the EU.

However, a safeguard mechanism means that the European parliament would have a veto. It would take 18 months to trigger the brake after the referendum, Brussels officials said.

* Britain would be permitted to apply for an “emergency brake” to stop migrants from claiming in-work benefits until they had been in the UK for four years. Access to in-work benefits will be “graduated from an initial complete exclusion but gradually increasing”, rather than a complete ban, as the prime minister had hoped. Europe will permit the UK to initiate the break after the referendum.

* EU migrants will be able to send child benefit back to their native country, but the benefits would only be paid at a rate corresponding to the cost of living in that country.

* There will be an agreement to redefine Britain’s membership as part of a two-tier EU. The UK will be recognised as part of a group not using the euro — which will protect the pound — and not part of an “ever closer union”.

* A “red-card” system is proposed, which would allow national parliaments to veto EU legislation as long as their votes make up more than 55 per cent of those on the council.

* It will be easier for countries to stop terrorist suspects crossing borders even if the threat they pose is not imminent, along with a crackdown to stop people using sham marriages and other loopholes to gain access to the bloc. It is not clear how this commitment will work.

* A pledge commits the EU to strengthening the internal market and reducing excessive regulation affecting small and medium-sized businesses, commonly known by critics as “Brussels bureaucracy”.

* On economic governance, there is a new mechanism to force the eurozone to review decisions that could affect the City of London. It also states that British taxpayers can never be liable to support the Eurozone.