Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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John40 said:
I'm amazed with how long this has been going on that people still say they don't know which way they will vote.
I would say if you still can't make your mind up don't bother at all.
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Well it's not that amazing really. It's a very complex issue with both sides of the argument saying contradictory things and no-one actually knows what will happen on a Brexit, whether we will be better off or not

So unless you are already entrenched in a pro or anti stance (where it doesn't matter what the opposition say, you aren't going to change your view) then being a centrist must be a very confusing place to be in this issue.
 
deuse said:
I'm surprised you missed it. The EU have been saying it since last year.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/02/britain-eu-veto-opt-out-david-cameron
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Oh yea, I saw that article when I googled too....but that's from 8 months ago, you said yesterday

It's also a bit of a guff article, full of 'coulds' and 'mights'

Cosimo said:
References to blocking/veto (Times):
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Is that from yesterday? Thanks if so

Though on a quick scan there doesnt seem anything that untoward in the language (i'll read it in more detail later)
 
Thekwango said:
can anyone give me a quick 'tldr' on the pro's and cons of staying and leaving the EU?
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Yeah sure. Politicians get richer, everyone else gets shafted.

It's nice to see the "no" votes coming in now, but sadly we will never be leave the EU.
Once our government deliberately destroys our sovereignty with immigration, they will be free to do what ever they like with our country.
They can't allow us to leave, it will ruin their plans of total control.
 
deuse said:
Can I ask why? Engineers did ok before.

beaten to it.
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I got an EU research grant to do my Masters degree in applied mathematics & engineering. Without the grant, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford the course. The research I did had commercial value and got me the graduate job I wanted afterwards. The UK and the EU have made their investment back many times over with the income tax I've paid since then.

I doubt an independent UK would have given me a grant. The current government is cutting back on both student grants and investment in science/engineering.
 
Tunney said:
I got an EU research grant to do my Masters degree in applied mathematics & engineering. Without the grant, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford the course. The research I did had commercial value and got me the graduate job I wanted afterwards. The UK and the EU have made their investment back many times over with the income tax I've paid since then.

I doubt an independent UK would have given me a grant. The current government is cutting back on both student grants and investment in science/engineering.
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... but increasing how much money we give to the EU. I've never understood this argument that because we give lots to the EU and get a proportion of it back, that we'd lose the money we do get back if we left the EU.
 
scorza said:
... but increasing how much money we give to the EU. I've never understood this argument that because we give lots to the EU and get a proportion of it back, that we'd lose the money we do get back if we left the EU.
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Because the UK experiences increased trade at reduced costs within the EU and stringer trade outside the EU increasing the British GDP significantly. Leaving the EU would simply make Britain poorer.
 
Shirley if we're on our own then the government has no other option but to invest in THIS COUNTRIES future ?
 
scorza said:
... but increasing how much money we give to the EU. I've never understood this argument that because we give lots to the EU and get a proportion of it back, that we'd lose the money we do get back if we left the EU.
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My point is that the current UK government does not see investment in science & engineering as a priority. That's not going to change even if we stop paying for EU membership. The money will get spent elsewhere, most likely on further cuts in corporation tax.
 
stewski said:
Job security, I'm guessing?
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Engineers have always been in short supply and highly regarded in the UK, before and after the EU.

He certainly won't have any issues with jobs in EU countries should we leave, they'll be throwing visas at him like it was confetti. Of all the job fields he has the least to worry about, probably even less than IT which i'm a part of
 
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Outcast said:
Shirley if we're on our own then the government has no other option but to invest in THIS COUNTRIES future ?
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Ohh, they have plenty of other options than that. :p

One problem with the system we have is that current politicians are generally very short sighted with thoughts on spending money/investing that will be popular (or what their donors want) and get them voted back in in 5 years time.

I wouldn't be certain that any money 'saved' by not being a net contributor to the EU would be spent on things like Tunneys masters grant.

In fact at a time where investment in education could help the country grow in economic terms and the Tories have just been slashing educational support.
 
scorza said:
... but increasing how much money we give to the EU. I've never understood this argument that because we give lots to the EU and get a proportion of it back, that we'd lose the money we do get back if we left the EU.
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Tunney answered already but just to reiterate, there are several things which this government don't see as a priority and so even if we had that money why would that change? Look at the vanity projects HS2 and a £15Bn road investment, neither of which we need.

Edit: Which is not to say being in or out of the EU has any direct bearing on how well the UK government spends its money.
 
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StriderX said:
We don't need road investment?
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We don't need the £15Bn program of road investment, no. To reiterate the point about how well the government spends its money.

Building more roads will simply lead to more congestion, it's in enough well cited studies. If the money was being spent wisely, investing heavily in public transport, infrastructure to get more cyclists on the roads and fewer cars for example, and if the goal was to reduce vehicle miles travelled, then sure it would be a worthwhile program. In its current guise? It's not going to improve congestion, pollution, health, etc. We could spend a lot less and glean many more benefits.
 
Tunney said:
I got an EU research grant to do my Masters degree in applied mathematics & engineering. Without the grant, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford the course. The research I did had commercial value and got me the graduate job I wanted afterwards. The UK and the EU have made their investment back many times over with the income tax I've paid since then.

I doubt an independent UK would have given me a grant. The current government is cutting back on both student grants and investment in science/engineering.
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Thing is, how much money do we donate to immigrants, refugees, in terms of housing, education, translators.

Imagine we, you know... didn't? We'd have more money to fund uk education.

my issue is, how has the numbers of Pakistani, indian, Bangladeshi' etc risen by 300 % over the past 30 years? They aren't in the EU and we can't police them very well so if we moved out of the EU what difference would it make?

What we need is a string government who forces our case in Europe and further afield and if they kick us out they kick us out.
 
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