Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[StriderX]

Perhaps we should be attempting to poach allies that are disconnected from the current theme of 'germany is the leader of a bunch of vassals'.

Spain, Greece an Poland are easy flips.

 

[Trifid]

You don't think Maggie would have done a better job than Cameron?

I just don't see how being outside of the club is going to give us more power in negotiating than being at the head table.

Thatcher got us a very generous rebate and Blair gave a large chunk of it away.

The biggest change we will likely see if we left the EU would likely be in the price of goods imported from within the eu (food and other stuff). The argument of 'they need us more than we need them' cannot be easily applied when comparing how much we import with how much we export within the EU as leaving the EU will not alleviate demand for imported goods (especially considering we are far more reliant on imported goods than most countries) and will allow the government to more easily impose tariffs which us as consumers will end up paying for when importing goods and British companies will end up paying for when exporting goods.

The standard tariff is 2.7%. I.e. £27 on every £1000. The Euro has fluctuated by about 10% in the last year. And this is based on worst case of no trade agreement is reached. This isn't a concern. What would be is if our financial services industry can secure passporting into the EU.

 

[Freakbro]

Surely the money should go to preparing for the coming driverless apocalypse, tbh.

You really aren't an optimist are you

 

[platypus]

Thing is, how much money do we donate to immigrants, refugees, in terms of housing, education, translators.

Imagine we, you know... didn't? We'd have more money to fund uk education.

Except as has been demonstrated the UK government already doesn't spend the money it has wisely.

 

[scorza]

My point is that the current UK government does not see investment in science & engineering as a priority. That's not going to change even if we stop paying for EU membership. The money will get spent elsewhere, most likely on further cuts in corporation tax.

It's not really accurate to say they don't see investment in science and engineering as a priority because they have a mandate to slash spending to cut the UK's debt - I don't agree this is the best way but that's what the country voted for. Everything apart from the NHS budget, Foreign Aid budget and EU contributions have to be cut - the first two were decided by the British government the last one by Brussels.

 

[scorza]

Except as has been demonstrated the UK government already doesn't spend the money it has wisely.

What do you base that on? There might be UK government waste but I bet it dwarfs in comparison to EU waste. How much does the EU waste moving the European Parliament between Brussels and Strasbourg and back every year?

 

[deuse]

Because the UK experiences increased trade at reduced costs within the EU and stringer trade outside the EU increasing the British GDP significantly. Leaving the EU would simply make Britain poorer.

You don't half talk some clap trap. But I'll point you to some FACTS

The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

Less than 15% of Britain’s GDP repreents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of our economy (the 5th largest in the world)
Alsothe EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

Go and peddle your lies else where.

 

[platypus]

What do you base that on?

Every government budget, since, ever?

 

[scorza]

Every government budget, since, ever?

You're going to have to do better than that. Show me the scale of the problem in the UK and then show me that the scale of the same problem in the EU is smaller.

 

[platypus]

You don't half talk some clap trap. But I'll point you to some FACTS

The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

Less than 15% of Britain’s GDP repreents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of our economy (the 5th largest in the world)
Alsothe EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

Go and peddle your lies else where.

Oh the irony .

59% of our GDP as of 2015 was trade, 45% of our trade is with the EU block. All done at a benefit due to being in the EU.

The trade deficit is nowhere near £100Bn. Last count by the ONS was £50Bn, which is still significant, but nowhere near the lies you're peddling.

 

[stewski]

You don't half talk some clap trap. But I'll point you to some FACTS

The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

Less than 15% of Britain’s GDP repreents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of our economy (the 5th largest in the world)
Alsothe EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

Go and peddle your lies else where.

I'm no expert but don't we trade with the rest of the world on the basis that we are part of the EU? i.e. trade agreements/tariffs are currently EU based, couldn't this be affected by a brexit. An exit at the very least could have uncertain effects on our world trade, which is why many in manufacturing are nervous at an exit.

We are a major trading nation and uncertainty is not something I'd look forward to at this point in time.

 

[platypus]

You're going to have to do better than that. Show me the scale of the problem in the UK and then show me that the scale of the same problem in the EU is smaller.

As it has nothing to do with the point I was making, no?

 

[estebanrey]

All done at a benefit due to being in the EU.

Rubbish, so if we left the EU we'd suddenly have no trade with them over night?

 

[Troezar]

People moan about "corrupt politicians" then want to vote for another layer(s) of them (stay in the EU) many of whom are unelected. A United States of Europe will never work, too many fighting for their vested interests, different cultures, languages, economies. Look at the difference between Greece and Germany, both great countries in their own right but trying to merge them into effectively one country, you're having a laugh.

We'll do just fine outside of the EU, if memory serves me we did have the largest land empire the world has ever seen. I can't see why we can't do well on our own again, we have enough smart people in the country and a good workforce all we are wanting for are decent leaders!

 

[deuse]

You're going to have to do better than that. Show me the scale of the problem in the UK and then show me that the scale of the same problem in the EU is smaller.

I wouldn't bother with him\her. I've had him\her on ignore for ages and yet he still quotes me

 

[Mr Jack]

The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

No. It doesn't. You're referring to a misreading of article 49.2 which reads:

A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.​

Nothing about that states that the EU must enter into a new trade treaty with the UK; let alone that it would be required to offer us terms as generous as the ones we currently enjoy. The fallback option is the maximum tariffs agreed with the WTO.

Also the EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

The EU is much bigger than the UK. So although there is a negative trade balance the relative importance of UK trade to the EU is less than the importance of EU trade to the UK.

 

[platypus]

Rubbish, so if we left the EU we'd suddenly have no trade with them over night?

Where have I said that? It's facilitated by being in the EU, this much is clear.

If we leave the EU, we don't know what will happen yet, do we?

 

[scorza]

As it has nothing to do with the point I was making, no?

It has everything to do with the point that you're making, you're asserting that UK government not spending money wisely is a reason for staying in the EU. Therefore you should be able to demonstrate that the EU can spend the UK's money more wisely.

 

[platypus]

I wouldn't bother with him\her. I've had him\her on ignore for ages and yet he still quotes me

Thats because your posts are ignorant to the extreme, and whether or not you read my posts I couldn't care less. But the lies you purport have to be brought to task so that others don't believe the **** you write.

 

[platypus]

It has everything to do with the point that you're making, you're asserting that UK government not spending money wisely is a reason for staying in the EU. Therefore you should be able to demonstrate that the EU can spend the UK's money more wisely.

Then I'm afraid you missed my point. I haven't once asserted that the UK government not spending wisely is a reason to stay in the EU.

Hell since you missed it the first time I'll repost exactly what I said:

Edit: Which is not to say being in or out of the EU has any direct bearing on how well the UK government spends its money.

Do you want to try again?