I wasn't responding to that, I was responding to this post: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29131538&postcount=473
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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I wasn't responding to that, I was responding to this post: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29131538&postcount=473
We'd be legally obliged to operate under any agreement made by the EU while we were a member state of the EU until any superseding agreements are made.
I got that info from the exit sites.
The EU are forcing their superstate on us, that's for sure.
"EU draft deal on Britain not a euro zone veto: Tusk letter"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-letter-idUSKCN0VB18W
It is accurate. The Conservatives campaigned on a message of austerity. That's how their mandate was gained. It was only after the election that the Conservatives finalised that exact nature of the cuts. Investment in science and engineering was considered an area that could be cut.
Also, remember that austerity isn't truly about cutting the UK's debt. The Conservatives want a smaller government.
Which is not an assertion that the UK government not spending money wisely is a reason for staying in the EU. Try again.
Actually, perhaps it's simply not clear enough. I'm making the exact opposite point. People where referring to money being wasted on the EU, and that the UK government could spend that money better on ourselves. I was merely highlighting the fact that leaving the EU would be no indication whatsoever that the UK government is suddenly going to start spending money wisely. I don't think even you can refute that.
You get your info from biased sites? Who'd have thought it?
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Not sure I understand you, if we exit will we not have to renegotiate world trade agreements but without the clout of the EU behind us?
Yes, we will. But until any new agreements are made, we would still be bound by the terms we operate under currently as part of the EU.
Which will introduce uncertainty across all our trade, not just with the EU, no?
That's a bold claim. What's your basis for it?
I would think most of the bilateral trade partners we currently have EU arrangements with would hold that as we're no longer part of the EU they're no longer obliged to offer the same terms to us and probably see our weakness as an opportunity to negotiate a new deal more favourable to them.
Has anyone grasped just how close the edge of the (financial) abyss the EU actually is ?
So lets go worst case scenario and trade barriers against us are raised...
Spain is clinging onto the last strands of a frayed rope. We can actually live without Spains ground produce even though it's far higher quality than ours. That's a knockout blow to their economy, let alone what will happen with Cataluna afterwards.
Italy is in the same boat
Greece ? .. Nuff said
France... Apparently in the S.H.1 as well
and... the Powerhouse ?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/deut...nking-system-fed-is-preparing-for-this-event/
Shut up waffling and do as we tell you or the EU is doomed !
There.. we've thrown the gauntlet down !
So lets go worst case scenario and trade barriers against us are raised...
Spain is clinging onto the last strands of a frayed rope. We can actually live without Spains ground produce even though it's far higher quality than ours. That's a knockout blow to their economy, let alone what will happen with Cataluna afterwards.
Italy is in the same boat
Greece ? .. Nuff said
France... Apparently in the S.H.1 as well
and... the Powerhouse ?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/deut...nking-system-fed-is-preparing-for-this-event/
Shut up waffling and do as we tell you or the EU is doomed !
There.. we've thrown the gauntlet down !
It's pointless to waste any brain power thinking about that scenario, likewise Mr Jack's post.
69% disagree with the draft deal
Poll: Two-Thirds Say EU Proposals A Bad Deal
As the PM faces down MPs with EU blueprint details, Sky News data suggests more than two-thirds of voters think it is a bad deal.
More than two-thirds of voters think the EU blueprint is a bad deal, Sky News data suggests.
The same poll indicates that despite David Cameron saying he has delivered "significant change", nearly half of the public say the new proposals would make them less likely to vote to stay in the EU.The results come as Mr Cameron faced down his own eurosceptic MPs as he tried to sell the EU draft deal in a statement to the House of Commons. Labour Jeremy Corbyn accused Mr Cameron of drawing up a draft deal "choreographed for TV cameras over the whole continent" to arrive "exactly where he always was going to be". He urged the Prime Minister to get the "smoke and mirrors sideshow deal" over with and get on with the referendum.
Mr Cameron is facing significant criticism that he has not met his Conservative Manifesto pledges and that the migrant welfare changes are "unworkable". Senior Conservative Liam Fox warned that up to five members of the campaign were ready for Brexit and Boris Johnson said that the Prime Minister is trying to "make the best of a bad job".
The Prime Minister acknowledged in the Commons that he would "have to wait a bit longer" to see if Mr Johnson would support a campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Mr Cameron is also under pressure not to call the EU referendum for June because it will clash with the May elections. Leaders of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have all written to the Prime Minister calling on him not to hold the EU vote in June, as he is expected to do, because it will confuse the public. The publication of the draft proposal of the EU's new deal with the UK on Tuesday was broadly viewed as paving the way for a referendum on 23 June. However, Mr Cameron said no date had been set for the referendum.
A Sky News snap poll of 1,031 people found 69% thought the draft EU proposals were a bad deal for Britain with just 31% thinking it was a good deal. In addition, 44% of those asked said it was less likely to make them want to vote to stay in the EU - 37% said it made no difference and 19% said it would make them more likely to vote to remain a member of the EU. The proposed deal will see an "emergency brake" on EU migrants receiving in-work benefits - but it is far short of the four-year ban on in-work payouts the Prime Minister had promised. In addition, the brake will not be in place until 18 months after a referendum and EU workers in the UK will get "graduated" in-work benefits.
:: Boris: 'Much, Much More Needed' For EU Deal
Child benefit will continue to be paid to EU migrants working in the UK who have children living in Europe - but it will be linked to the standard of living in that country. Mr Cameron said the practise would stop entirely.
There are concerns at the Department of Work and Pensions over whether there is a system that can cope with 28 levels of child benefit and administer graded tax credit payments. Senior Government officials have even suggested it may not be something that can even be delivered. Mr Cameron is also under pressure to allow Cabinet members who want to campaign for Brexit to start speaking out against membership of the EU now.
The Prime Minister has said they are not permitted to take sides until after the 18-19 February summit where EU leaders will finalise the terms of the deal. Mr Cameron received a major boost when Theresa May - who those from the 'leave' campaign were hoping would back their drive - appeared to signal her support for the "stay" campaign. Mr Cameron will also begin his campaign to win over European leaders, especially those in eastern Europe who have been opposed to the benefit changes. The Prime Minister has admitted there is more work to be done on the detail of the eventual deal and European Council President Donald Tusk said it was a "good basis for a compromise".
:: Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,031 Sky customers by SMS on 3rd February 2016. Data are weighted to the profile of the population.
Poll: Two-Thirds Say EU Proposals A Bad Deal
As the PM faces down MPs with EU blueprint details, Sky News data suggests more than two-thirds of voters think it is a bad deal.
More than two-thirds of voters think the EU blueprint is a bad deal, Sky News data suggests.
The same poll indicates that despite David Cameron saying he has delivered "significant change", nearly half of the public say the new proposals would make them less likely to vote to stay in the EU.The results come as Mr Cameron faced down his own eurosceptic MPs as he tried to sell the EU draft deal in a statement to the House of Commons. Labour Jeremy Corbyn accused Mr Cameron of drawing up a draft deal "choreographed for TV cameras over the whole continent" to arrive "exactly where he always was going to be". He urged the Prime Minister to get the "smoke and mirrors sideshow deal" over with and get on with the referendum.
Mr Cameron is facing significant criticism that he has not met his Conservative Manifesto pledges and that the migrant welfare changes are "unworkable". Senior Conservative Liam Fox warned that up to five members of the campaign were ready for Brexit and Boris Johnson said that the Prime Minister is trying to "make the best of a bad job".
The Prime Minister acknowledged in the Commons that he would "have to wait a bit longer" to see if Mr Johnson would support a campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Mr Cameron is also under pressure not to call the EU referendum for June because it will clash with the May elections. Leaders of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have all written to the Prime Minister calling on him not to hold the EU vote in June, as he is expected to do, because it will confuse the public. The publication of the draft proposal of the EU's new deal with the UK on Tuesday was broadly viewed as paving the way for a referendum on 23 June. However, Mr Cameron said no date had been set for the referendum.
A Sky News snap poll of 1,031 people found 69% thought the draft EU proposals were a bad deal for Britain with just 31% thinking it was a good deal. In addition, 44% of those asked said it was less likely to make them want to vote to stay in the EU - 37% said it made no difference and 19% said it would make them more likely to vote to remain a member of the EU. The proposed deal will see an "emergency brake" on EU migrants receiving in-work benefits - but it is far short of the four-year ban on in-work payouts the Prime Minister had promised. In addition, the brake will not be in place until 18 months after a referendum and EU workers in the UK will get "graduated" in-work benefits.
:: Boris: 'Much, Much More Needed' For EU Deal
Child benefit will continue to be paid to EU migrants working in the UK who have children living in Europe - but it will be linked to the standard of living in that country. Mr Cameron said the practise would stop entirely.
There are concerns at the Department of Work and Pensions over whether there is a system that can cope with 28 levels of child benefit and administer graded tax credit payments. Senior Government officials have even suggested it may not be something that can even be delivered. Mr Cameron is also under pressure to allow Cabinet members who want to campaign for Brexit to start speaking out against membership of the EU now.
The Prime Minister has said they are not permitted to take sides until after the 18-19 February summit where EU leaders will finalise the terms of the deal. Mr Cameron received a major boost when Theresa May - who those from the 'leave' campaign were hoping would back their drive - appeared to signal her support for the "stay" campaign. Mr Cameron will also begin his campaign to win over European leaders, especially those in eastern Europe who have been opposed to the benefit changes. The Prime Minister has admitted there is more work to be done on the detail of the eventual deal and European Council President Donald Tusk said it was a "good basis for a compromise".
:: Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,031 Sky customers by SMS on 3rd February 2016. Data are weighted to the profile of the population.
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People complain about migrants but it works both ways, what would happen to all the British people that are living/working in the EU.
We should stay in the EU. Also we already had a poll and staying in the EU won.
We should stay in the EU. Also we already had a poll and staying in the EU won.
Don't look at Pistonheads then... Wonder what the forum reckons? I know PH is more anti EU then here.
Interesting answer, what is it based on?
Pragmatism, reasonableness and a sense of reality.
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