Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?


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Hypothetical, who has the most bargaining power with China, the UK on its own or the EU?

Hard to tell, given the amount of cosying up to China Osborne et al are doing. Do we want to put more of our "eggs" into the Chinese basket though? Given the way it looks their economy is going?
 
^^ I feel very sorry for the residents of Calais. France should just demolish the Jungle and deport the migrants back to their respective countries. 70% are from Africa and are purely economic migrants.

It's odd that they haven't, given the frequency with which the army clear out migrants from most of the major cities.
 
Out - Fed up with free movement, doesn't seem to work both ways. Its OK for other people from other countries to come here, scrounge from our NHS and benefits. Try going over to countries like Greece, Italy, to name but a few, and getting any healthcare let alone benefits in other countries in Euorpe, you are put to the bottom of the pile and made to wait in front of locals from that country.
This is a flat out lie.

**** Europe, Close our borders and don't let any more scrounging ***** in. Start looking after those who pay their taxes and give to the system not those wanting to sneak through the channel tunnel thinking the roads are paved with gold. The UK has been way to soft on immigrants coming over here to sponge from our system, its time for change and a hardline approach. If you don't have the skills we need you are not coming in. And if you are here illegally, we will deport you.
You sound like a pleasant chap.

The European Union hasn't worked full stop. People have taken advantage and abused it notably corporations. In turn its the saem old rich get rich and the poor and middle class get **** on.
Hasn't worked full stop? You have something to back this up?
 
It's odd that they haven't, given the frequency with which the army clear out migrants from most of the major cities.

Indeed. At least, give them the option of claiming asylum in France or being deported - The current situation seems only to affect the citizens of Calais in a very negative way.
 
Always talk of Benefits Benefits Benefits whilst tax avoidance and tax evasion costs the UK tax payer significantly more!

Government/EU/whoever stop the scrounging tax cheaters.

Bang on.

We've just let Google off a proper tax bill, because they're acting within the law, whilst Osborne and family are guests of Google at the Superbowl. Conflict of interests much?

Starbucks only paid some tax because of the huge public backlash in what was a damage limitation exercise, and a drop in the ocean that is their vast profits.

Facebook do not pay a fair share of tax. Amazon do not pay a fair share of tax.

We let Vodafone off a £6Bn tax bill, after a cosy meeting at a top mayfair restaurant between Vodafone executives and HMRC. Conflict of interests much?

Obviously I'm only naming the big few here, but there are thousands legally avoiding tax.

Sort that out first, and there wouldn't be much need for all this austerity nonsense.

And none of this is to mention the giant cluster***** that are heading our way; TTIP and the Investigatory Powers Bill. These are much more important issues but here we are engaged in an argument about the EU. Whatever.
 
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Bang on.

We've just let Google off a proper tax bill, because they're acting within the law, whilst Osborne and family are guests of Google at the Superbowl. Conflict of interests much?

Starbucks only paid some tax because of the huge public backlash in what was a damage limitation exercise, and a drop in the ocean that is their vast profits.

Facebook do not pay a fair share of tax. Amazon do not pay a fair share of tax.

We let Vodafone off a £6Bn tax bill, after a cosy meeting at a top mayfair restaurant between Vodafone executives and HMRC. Conflict of interests much?

Obviously I'm only naming the big few here, but there are thousands legally avoiding tax.

Sort that out first, and there wouldn't be much need for all this austerity nonsense.

The fear is that if HMRC go in with the boots on in a years time there would be no UK Amazon or UK Google etc. They would still have their online services just out of another country and we'd be sending our tax dollars somewhere else. Not saying that's right - but not quite as easy to go in and fix regardless which gov is in charge
 
Sorry to stir the pot with this bump but (I believe) this has only just been uploaded and is quite relevent <--deliberate typo




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Resident of Calais speaks. This is the death of civilization - Calais Situation Video & Full English Transcript

Published on 9 Feb 2016

Heart breaking description of how a government can destroy a city and a people. If ever there was an example of why a free people need a 1st and 2nd amendment style protection, this is it. Please watch it all.

What follows is a transcript of Simone Héricourt’s oral account of the present situation in Calais, given on Sunday, February 7 in Rungis in front of a patriotic audience. She is an ordinary woman confronted with an extraordinary situation.

Well, here we are. Pierre introduced me. My name is Simone and I live in Calais. I am of Calaisian stock. My parents lived in Calais. Calais is my life. It’s where I grew up and I’ve always lived there. Calais used to be a very pleasant town. I used to love going on walks. We had tranquillity and safety. There were always a lot of visitors, both in the Summer and in the Winter, even though God knows our Summers are never that pleasant, the weather is never great here. But the place was alive.

Some time ago refugees came to Sangatte. Sarkozy decided to shut down their squatting zone there, and the refugees arrived in Calais. At first, even I considered them unfortunate people, deprived of means and ill-informed, whom we could perhaps give some help. And I couldn’t tell you how it happened, but from one day to the next, we had thousands, thousands of migrants. Currently they number at 18 000 in what is called the Jungle. 18 000. It is horrible. They’ve downright made a city within the city. They’ve got a discotheque, businesses, schools, hair-dressers… They even have… [pause] — I wouldn’t allow myself to say this, but I think you understand it concerns the needs of men. Of course. They’ve made streets. They’ve given names to these streets. They elected a mayor. [Audience expresses shock] Yes! The police cannot at all enter what they call the “Muslim neighborhood”. It’s forbidden.

Up to that point, we perhaps might have been able to endure this. But we can’t endure the unendurable, when we see riots taking place during the night, every day, constantly. They turn up in the center of the town, numbering 2000, 3000, 4000, all over the place. They smash cars with iron bars. They assault people, they even assault children. They rob and they rape. What we endure is unimaginable. They enter the homes of people, while people are at the dinner table, because they want to eat. They take what they want, sometimes they beat up the inhabitants. They steal what they want and smash what they can’t get. And when you defend yourself, the Police gets on your back [Audience expresses dismay]. Since a long time the Police refuses to register complaints. My own son got assaulted. He was out on a walk in the town center, listening to music on headphones. Someone tapped his shoulder and he turned around, thinking it would be a friend. Three “clandos” were facing him — excuse me, clandestines. He got hit on the head with an iron bar. My son is quite tough and managed to defend himself. So they got beat up. But then he heard noise on his side: thirty migrants were now going after him. Being bold but not suicidal, he fled. When I saw my son return home my thought was that they could have killed him. He isn’t alone. They assault kids on their way home from school, or on their way to school, to middle-school. They go so far to get on school busses, with the kids. On January 23rd, they did a big riot in Calais. It was horrible. It lasted the whole afternoon and the whole evening. They went so far to tag the statue of General De Gaulle. They wrote “Nik la France” on it [“*** France”, sic], with the ISIS flag underneath.

What else can I tell you about what we endure? They demonstrate to protest the standards of the welcome they have received. But the more you give to them, the more they ask for. It’s never enough. Never, never. When we cross their paths, it’s always “give money”, “give phone”. And if you don’t give, you get beaten up. And don’t count on the Police to help you. As I said, they dont even register complaints anymore. When we want to demonstrate, the Police gets on our backs. When we get assaulted, they tell us at the Police station: “What do you want us to say, they all look alike. There’s nothing we can do.” I promise that what I’m telling you is the truth.

I used to love going to visit what I call my son’s tomb: the sea. I lost my son and we dispersed his ashes into the sea, in accordance with his wish. One evening I asked my husband to take me to my son’s tomb, because I needed it. This is something I can’t do anymore. Merely crossing the town center of Calais during the evening means exposing yourself to danger. As soon as it starts getting dark, it gets dangerous. I can’t go where I used to like to go anymore. It’s not possible anymore. I’m scared. And there are many of us like this in Calais.

What I also don’t understand is the attitude of the Calaisians. Yesterday again there was a demonstration. There were perhaps ten people from Calais participating. Where were all the others? Fear does not steer us clear from danger. The Government has abandoned us. They’ve decided to doom Calais. If we from Calais don’t react to this, all the migrants in France will end up gathered here, and we’ll be done for, we’ll be dead. The Calaisians are like sheep. I don’t understand them.

Yesterday I participated in this demonstration. I was in the middle of it, with my husband, with my son, with friends. General Piquemal was there [Long round of applause]. After what I witnessed yesterday, I could not sleep, because I kept reviewing those scenes in my mind. The television, radio and newspapers haven’t said what happened there. We saw him get arrested and mistreated like a racaille [street thug]. The man is a French icon, he deserves the respect owed to his rank, and he got treated like a racaille. They manhandled him to the ground and a policeman placed his boot on his neck. We saw it happen, I promise as I stand before you. Then they picked him up and dragged him, his feet weren’t even touching the ground. And then they charged us of course. I was lucky, because my husband, in a clever move, took us behind the vans and the water guns of the CRS [riot police]. Otherwise they would have detained us and I’d still be in jail today.

And what offense did I commit? I had come there. I had come to protest the massive and invasive immigration we are subjected to. Do you realize that local shops have lost between 40% and 60% of their business? Before this, Calais used to be thriving, lively, gay. Foreigners would always come during the Summer vacation time, and during the end of the year festivities. Today, nothing is left of that. Nothing. The shops in the town center have shut down, one after the other. Calais is a dead city, because of the clandestines we have there. When they descend upon the town armed with iron bars and even Molotov cocktails… Yes, they were caught fabricating those… I don’t understand why they don’t get punished for that. Why does the police let them go so quickly, when they catch them? [Round of applause.] If we, the French, the Calaisians, step out of line, we immediately get detained and subjected to interrogation. We have no rights left.

Let’s also talk about Natacha Bouchard. [The audience boos.] I call her the snail, because she has gotten fatter and fatter since she became mayor. She has done nothing for the inhabitants of Calais. She received millions of Euros of help destined to support the local economy. The first thing she did with that money was to build containers to house the migrants. And those containers did not even come from Calais, they came from Brittany. The only jobs she created in Calais, and I know this through a friend who was offered such a job, were fifty long-term positions to clean up the migrant’s refuse in the Jungle. Those are the jobs offered by Madame Bouchard. She has banned me from her Facebook page, so I can’t leave her comments anymore. She doesn’t like me. The feeling is mutual. [Audience laughing.]

As Pierre said, I’m not an intellectual. I didn’t get a higher education. I lost my father at a young age and had to stop school early in order to help with the business. But that doesn’t mean i’m an idiot. I see what’s going on and I know what I’m talking about. We live under it every day.

There’s been a new development recently: the No Border activists. They are the worst racaille on the face of the Earth. They are the ones inciting the clandestines to riot in Calais. It’s even worse than that. They post themselves across the town and coordinate riots using talkie walkies. I’ve seen the CRS [riot police] give ground to the migrants. That made me weep. I felt this wasn’t normal. We’re at home. This is our country, our town. The migrants should have been the ones retreating, not the CRS.

Why are they demonstrating? They want 2000 Euros pocket money per month. [Hilarity among the audience.] I don’t have them, personally. They want a car, and also a house, naturally. So let’s talk about housing. Madame Bouchard has expelled people in Calais from their homes because those were situated in the Dunes area, close to the Jungle. Indeed this proximity meant that they were being robbed and beaten on a regular basis. So she expelled them, even though they were paying their rent. I myself am being thrown out of my house next month. My house is being confiscated, even though we’ve always been honest people. It would be too long to explain. A court decided to sell the house, even though we’ve done nothing wrong. My husband is suffering from cancer, but that doesn’t change anything. The French must be crushed and thrown out, their property seized to make room for the racaille intent on colonizing us. [Round of applause.]

The racaille, we are being told, will be a source of cultural enrichment for us. But I wonder where their cultural wealth is. If what we need is to wreck, destroy, steal, and rape, and this is the short version, well then the French are quite able to do this on their own. You just needed to ask us. [Round of applause.] I speak with my heart and my words. [Long round of applause.]
 
The fear is that if HMRC go in with the boots on in a years time there would be no UK Amazon or UK Google etc. They would still have their online services just out of another country and we'd be sending our tax dollars somewhere else. Not saying that's right - but not quite as easy to go in and fix regardless which gov is in charge

I know and understand that fear, but it's only down to current tax law that they can avoid paying tax on UK profits. It wouldn't matter where they claimed to be head-quartered if this loophole was fixed.
 
Exactly. ^^. If the go somewhere else, then they'll go somewhere else. We won't actually lose much... (?)
 
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Absolutely astonishing, yes we can all say if they tried to walk into our homes they wouldn't be able to walk out alive again. Or that the english wouldn't stand for the **** taking that the french has. But when the police doesn't have your back, when they treat you as criminals for even complaining, can you blame them for giving up?

And it's frightening the attitude these *********** have, and yes they are gimmigants in the truest sense of the word. As she says above "They demonstrate to protest the standards of the welcome they have received. But the more you give to them, the more they ask for. It’s never enough. Never, never. When we cross their paths, it’s always “give money”, “give phone”. And if you don’t give, you get beaten up."

In all honestly, i don't trust our own police force to protect us when it comes to gimmigants, the only way to protect ourselves is to not to be in the EU so they have no chance of getting in, even if they get passports in Europe.
 
In all honestly, i don't trust our own police force to protect us when it comes to gimmigants, the only way to protect ourselves is to not to be in the EU so they have no chance of getting in, even if they get passports in Europe.

I'm quite interested to know just how dramatically you think immigration is going to fall in the case of an EU exit?
 
I'm quite interested to know just how dramatically you think immigration is going to fall in the case of an EU exit?

I hope that's not a serious question, that has already been discussed to absolute death in many threads, of course it'll up to PM and the one we have is wet fish but the alternative is a complete marxist lunatic so we'll need the PM in power to stop succumbing to populist left wing media pressure and do what he has been mandated to do and can immigration and get to the 10's of thousands like he promised in the first place, when out of the EU we can choose who can come in from anywhere in the world and set our criteria properly. Only UKIP at the moment is outspoken to how they would actually do it
 
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Do you think someone from Australia is going to want to come to the UK to earn minimum wage picking fruit?

And Given UKIP are concerned about Tuberculosis, why do they want more immigration from India?
 
Do you think someone from Australia is going to want to come to the UK to earn minimum wage picking fruit?

And Given UKIP are concerned about Tuberculosis, why do they want more immigration from India?

Health screening should be part of the immigration criteria, if he has a contagion then that's an instant rejection, again UKIP has been clear on this. Educated skilled immigration from India (GPs, Doctors etc) Will have a far lower chance of having such diseases anyway because they would have better living standards than India's poor. Regardless, they'll all should be tested
 
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In all honestly, i don't trust our own police force to protect us when it comes to gimmigants, the only way to protect ourselves is to not to be in the EU so they have no chance of getting in, even if they get passports in Europe.

Wow. You are literally xenophobic, aren't you?
 
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