Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?


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Panasonic and LG also have TV's built in Turkey. ;)

I had a Sammy monitor from Romania once... with a Dutch manual! Manufacturing, supply and production in general is fairly distributed across the bloc, from what I gather. Surprisingly often parts come in via free trade channels from outside the EU, assembly takes places in X, finish in Y, and the sale in Z, or we re-export. It's a funny 'ol world. :) But I like it.
 
I know I missed reading this somewhere but...

If UK leaves the EU, most of the Brits living in the EU will be asked to leave and return to the UK and many of those here from EU countries will be asked to leave and return to their countries.


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I've seen comments from ScotNats living in England saying they're going to vote 'Leave' in order to bolster the argument Scottish independence even though they want to stay in the EU :rolleyes:

Yeah, let's somehow make this about Scottish Nationalists who are what? <1% of the UK population if you are VERY generous. :rolleyes:
 
I know I missed reading this somewhere but...

If UK leaves the EU, most of the Brits living in the EU will be asked to leave and return to the UK and many of those here from EU countries will be asked to leave and return to their countries.


zzzzzzzzzz
I'm praying that the zzzz means sarcasm?

Otherwise you're being a tad foolish.
 
I am worried certain right wing types will hijack the out campaign so that anyone seen or pro voting to leave is seen as a racist bigot.
 
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Reddit is now full blown discussing the issue. Saw a good point list of why the UK wants to leave by user SweatyBadgers.

  1. We don't need to be in a political union in order to trade with other countries, nor to be friendly with them and work together. We should leave and negotiate a simple free trade agreement tailored to our needs. We're the fifth biggest economy in the world, the financial capital of the planet, and the EU's biggest export market. If Mexico is capable of negotiating a free trade deal, we certainly are.
  2. Leaving the EU would allow us to regain the power to create our own trade deals, rather than having to have the EU do it for us so that it suits 28 different countries with different economies instead of just one.
  3. We are one of the top three net contributors to the EU budget, meaning we get less from it than we put in. What's more, the better our economy does, the more we are expected to contribute, despite the EU trying to impose measures that damage our biggest industries such as the Financial Transaction Tax. We're even expected to contribute to things that have nothing to do with us, such as Greece's third bailout.
  4. The EU is pushing for the UK and France to give up their UNSC seats so that the EU can have one. It's already established what is effectively a foreign minister, and Juncker the Commission President is pushing for an EU army.
  5. This one I accept not everyone will agree with, but the EU's obsession with expansion is creating a more unstable world. If the EU was truly interested in peace, it would have recognised that reaching out to Ukraine and welcoming the idea that it join the EU would provoke Russia into action. The last thing Russia wants is an expansionist pseudo-super power encroaching on its border. Yes I know there are entirely valid arguments for self-determination, but from a peace perspective these titans of the political scene should have recognised the consequences of their actions.
  6. The nature of the EU's protectionist customs union means we impose tariffs on goods from other areas of the world, which is morally questionable when you think of the impact it has on poorer countries like those in Africa which could thrive through increased trade.
  7. The EU is heading in one direction, and that is toward a federal Europe. The Euro is a disaster, but rather than admit it Europhiles are doing all they can to keep the dream of a federal Europe alive, even if it means ruining the lives of its citizens, or stealing directly from their bank accounts. See: Greece and Cyprus. The UK is never going to join a federal EU, so what's the point in us being a part of it?
  8. The EU has a worrying distaste for democracy when it goes against the 'correct' result. The constitution was rejected by referenda in multiple countries, so it was re-branded the Lisbon Treaty (it is essentially the exact same document, I believe a study showed it had 94% of the same content) so that it could circumvent national referenda (See: Valery Giscard d'estaing's comments on the matter), and when Ireland who did have a referendum on it rejected it, they were forced to vote again until they gave the 'correct' answer.
  9. We have 8% of the vote in EU decision-making, a share which gets smaller every time the EU admits a new member. When we vote against decisions that negatively impact us, we are outvoted nearly 90% of the time.
  10. Constantly demands an increase in its budget, yet hasn't had its spending audited for the last 19 years. There is no such thing as EU money, it is taxpayer money from the nation states that make up its membership, so how does it justify spending hundreds of thousands of tax payer money on blatant propaganda?

The second to last point is similar to my question asked way back on page 20 something. How small would our proportional vote be when Turkey joins? That alone is enough to make me want to vote out.

Before Datalol-jack or one of the other proficient wikipedia linkers reply I agree with points 1, 2, 3, 7 and 9. :)
 
Yeah, let's somehow make this about Scottish Nationalists who are what? <1% of the UK population if you are VERY generous. :rolleyes:

Just a passing comment, no need to get your knickers bunched.

Also, 1.6m voted 'Yes' in the Scottish Referendum, that makes them 3.4% of the total eligible to vote, or 5.2% of the total number who actually voted in the last election. Not <1% of the UK if you are VERY generous.
 
Reddit is now full blown discussing the issue. Saw a good point list of why the UK wants to leave by user SweatyBadgers.

  1. We don't need to be in a political union in order to trade with other countries, nor to be friendly with them and work together. We should leave and negotiate a simple free trade agreement tailored to our needs. We're the fifth biggest economy in the world, the financial capital of the planet, and the EU's biggest export market. If Mexico is capable of negotiating a free trade deal, we certainly are.
  2. Leaving the EU would allow us to regain the power to create our own trade deals, rather than having to have the EU do it for us so that it suits 28 different countries with different economies instead of just one.
  3. We are one of the top three net contributors to the EU budget, meaning we get less from it than we put in. What's more, the better our economy does, the more we are expected to contribute, despite the EU trying to impose measures that damage our biggest industries such as the Financial Transaction Tax. We're even expected to contribute to things that have nothing to do with us, such as Greece's third bailout.
  4. The EU is pushing for the UK and France to give up their UNSC seats so that the EU can have one. It's already established what is effectively a foreign minister, and Juncker the Commission President is pushing for an EU army.
  5. This one I accept not everyone will agree with, but the EU's obsession with expansion is creating a more unstable world. If the EU was truly interested in peace, it would have recognised that reaching out to Ukraine and welcoming the idea that it join the EU would provoke Russia into action. The last thing Russia wants is an expansionist pseudo-super power encroaching on its border. Yes I know there are entirely valid arguments for self-determination, but from a peace perspective these titans of the political scene should have recognised the consequences of their actions.
  6. The nature of the EU's protectionist customs union means we impose tariffs on goods from other areas of the world, which is morally questionable when you think of the impact it has on poorer countries like those in Africa which could thrive through increased trade.
  7. The EU is heading in one direction, and that is toward a federal Europe. The Euro is a disaster, but rather than admit it Europhiles are doing all they can to keep the dream of a federal Europe alive, even if it means ruining the lives of its citizens, or stealing directly from their bank accounts. See: Greece and Cyprus. The UK is never going to join a federal EU, so what's the point in us being a part of it?
  8. The EU has a worrying distaste for democracy when it goes against the 'correct' result. The constitution was rejected by referenda in multiple countries, so it was re-branded the Lisbon Treaty (it is essentially the exact same document, I believe a study showed it had 94% of the same content) so that it could circumvent national referenda (See: Valery Giscard d'estaing's comments on the matter), and when Ireland who did have a referendum on it rejected it, they were forced to vote again until they gave the 'correct' answer.
  9. We have 8% of the vote in EU decision-making, a share which gets smaller every time the EU admits a new member. When we vote against decisions that negatively impact us, we are outvoted nearly 90% of the time.
  10. Constantly demands an increase in its budget, yet hasn't had its spending audited for the last 19 years. There is no such thing as EU money, it is taxpayer money from the nation states that make up its membership, so how does it justify spending hundreds of thousands of tax payer money on blatant propaganda?

The second to last point is similar to my question asked way back on page 20 something. How small would our proportional vote be when Turkey joins? That alone is enough to make me want to vote out.

Before Datalol-jack or one of the other proficient wikipedia linkers reply I agree with points 1, 2, 3, 7 and 9. :)

Sorry but number 10 is just bs.

Total bs and a myth that is regularly mentioned but the skeptics.

As for Africa, its has to be bilateral. See why deals haven't been done and then come back and post... ;)

If the UK demands concessions gets these concessions then leaves and leaving the EU 3 billion short then comes to the table with demands for free trade...well good luck with that. :p
 
I honestly have no idea how leaving the EU or even staying put affects us, there is literally no information being talked about how it would affect us now or in the future.

That is the frightening thing, this type of decision should not be left upto your everyday citizen. Sometimes I honestly struggle to hear English being spoken by anyone in my local towns, if that makes me some kind of herp derp racist then whatever. I nor anyone else on this forum is qualified to make such a decision as this.

The out campaign is driven by many different gripes which should be laid at the government's door but have been falsely blamed on the EU buy Murdoch who owns the UK press for years.

I wondered what Cameron should even negotiate since there seems to be at least 50 different reasons in this thread alone for leaving not many related to actual EU policy but more related to UK government's failure.

And scaremongering by both sides of the campaign. Ohhh federal Europe where one of the fundamental treaty pillars is subsidiarity!

In all cases, the EU may only intervene if it is able to act more effectively than EU countries at their respective national or local levels. The Protocol on the application of the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality lays down 3 criteria aimed at establishing the desirability of intervention at EU level: —
Does the action have transnational aspects that cannot be resolved by EU countries?

Would national action or an absence of action be contrary to the requirements of the Treaty?

Does action at EU level have clear advantages?
 
The Economist has published an interesting article on how education is the biggest factor on how people intend to vote. Interesting too how degree-educated people tend to consider themselves British but those who left school at 16 tend to consider themselves English.
 
Sorry but number 10 is just bs.

Total bs and a myth that is regularly mentioned but the skeptics.

As for Africa, its has to be bilateral. See why deals haven't been done and then come back and post... ;)

If the UK demands concessions gets these concessions then leaves and leaving the EU 3 billion short then comes to the table with demands for free trade...well good luck with that. :p

Sorry but the eu accounts have an error rate that precludes giving them a clean bill of health. This is not an organisation capable of spending large sums of money and they should not be trusted until that error rate is within normal parameters.

Oh an Rupert Murdoch is as pro-EU as they come - he's told Cameron to make sure Britain stays in at all costs.
 
In = status quo. Proven financial benefits for the country, some pressure from Poles/Romanians/etc. in the menial jobs sectors.

What proven financial benefits? It costs us £55 million per day to remain a member. What will we lose if we leave? I have seen no proper figures any where yet setting out the financial implications of either option.
 
Voting to leave. Too many from poorer countries are coming here and driving down wages and as a consequence conditions.
 
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