Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[Dis86]

I vote to stay in because in my industry immigrants are more efficient, conscientious workers who care about their work compared to lazy brits more interested in their smart phones and entitlement complex than their jobs.

I see this day in day out.

Funnily enough...I see this too.

Must admit though, a number of our overseas plants are staffed by people of shockingly poor quality. Our Angolan and Nigerian ones being prime examples. Never known such a work-shy bunch.

 

[datalol-jack]

Exactly. If you'd bothered reading the rest of my post data, and the thread i mentioned you'd see that the minimum wage, and that for most workers is dropping real-time despite 'rising by x%'

Then give me a plan for growing the economy at 4% or above, with lower borrowing than now, outside of the EU? Because, at a rough guess, this sort of growth would be needed to sustain some of the fantasies people here entertain.

You can be nice to workers, you can spend more -- but someone, somewhere has to pay for it.

 

[dante6491]

Stumbled across a very in depth examination of the situation by David Davis MP:

http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-speech-on-brexit-at-the-institute-of-chartered-engineers/

Left without comment.

 

[itchy]

Which laws?

Them human rights laws.

 

[datalol-jack]

Exactly. If you'd bothered reading the rest of my post Data, and the thread i mentioned you'd see that the minimum wage, and that for most workers is dropping real-time despite 'rising by x%'

Again, the whole 99% vs 1% a) isn't the fault of an EU directive b) is a global phenomenon c) it won't go away if you leave the bloc. But do continue. I like fantasy economics as much as I like fantasy football.

 

[bowey]

Sorry but number 10 is just bs.

Total bs and a myth that is regularly mentioned but the skeptics.

As for Africa, its has to be bilateral. See why deals haven't been done and then come back and post...

If the UK demands concessions gets these concessions then leaves and leaving the EU 3 billion short then comes to the table with demands for free trade...well good luck with that.

Wait so you really think free trade won't happen if we vote to leave ? London is the financial capital of the world and Britain has the sixth largest economy. The UK is also in the top ten manufacturing nations in the world...the EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them look at 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion. You think that the EU would seek to distrupt something that is so beneficial to itself.

 

[itchy]

Stop quoting this Kipper gross figure carp. It has been debunked so many times even the GO talking heads are resorting to the 'billions going to Europe' vague non-stat.

Take our gross contribution, take away the rebate, divide it by 365 -- that's you figure. Than look at the figure we make from the EU, take the tax intake from that trade from the ONS, Eurostat or the treasury briefings, divide by 365 -- that's your figure again. Hmmm. Yep, we're being ripped-off -- it's a daylight bloody robbery, I tell ya! I linked the relevant documents and sources a few times above. If I do the maths again, I'm afraid deuse will have a seizure. You can also do a quick comparison: our EU trade as a ratio of the GDP, and our contribution as a ratio of our GDP. Again -- no robbery there.

And that's just the simple arithmetic which the PM will wheel out on whoever's debating him. Add to it the jobs in import/export, linked services, investment, jobs that depend on those jobs, big businesses, SME, etc. If you're generally undecided and cannot be bothered, then this stuff will emerge in the first stages of the campaign for Remain. You don't have long to wait now.

Even businesses without an EU link in their immediate network will often find themselves connected after a few degrees of separation either via wholesale, contractor or supplier.

But can we have all the benefits of the EU club without paying a penny? No. It's like me asking to use the local gym without membership or paying at the till after my free trial expires, and ripping up their terms and conditions just because I'm obviously entitled to use the facilities and the kit how I see fit, other customers be damned.

You are a EU ****, whatever education you received? It has worked oh wise one.

People like you don't have a clue what the ground workers do!

People are ****ed off, if you have not gathered.

You come across a condescending ass.

I see the big words you use and insult others through use of language.

 

[datalol-jack]

To all pro EU camp, it has sod all to do with immigration all though some of it is related.

The EU overrides our laws and imposes unnecessary conditions.

Who voted for the EU leaders???

No one! So they can all **** off!

So you swing like a metronome from one view to another, from one copy-paste line of attack to an even sillier one; if you lose on stats and economics, you come back with some infantile appeal to tradition; if that is lost you suddenly discover your libertarian roots; if that is contradictory with at least 60% of the Leave campaign, you simply erratically throw more truisms with nothing to back them up, while your furious social media circle toils to do some more anti-Euro archaeology that hasn't won the previous referendum, and it won't swing it now. Great going.

Champ. If you want to go -- go; but don't try to convince people your 'sources' fed you a rational argument for doing so.

 

[datalol-jack]

You are a EU ****, whatever education you received? It has worked oh wise one.

People like you don't have a clue what the ground workers do!

People are ****ed off, if you have not gathered.

You come across a condescending ass.

I see the big words you use and insult others though use of language.

Now I gotta cut loose, footloose
Kick off your Sunday shoes...

 

[John40]

One thing's for certain anybody who still can't make their mind up should be banned from voting as they must be incredibly thick.

 

[itchy]

So you swing like a metronome from one view to another, from one copy-paste line of attack to an even sillier one; if you lose on stats and economics, you come back with some infantile appeal to tradition; if that is lost you suddenly discover your libertarian roots; if that is contradictory with at least 60% of the Leave campaign, you simply erratically throw more truisms with nothing to back them up, while your furious social media circle toils to do some more anti-Euro archaeology that hasn't won the previous referendum, and it won't swing it now. Great going.

Champ. If you want to go -- go; but don't try to convince people your 'sources' fed you a rational argument for doing so.

Its down to personal choice, or is that forbidden in your EU utopian hierarchy?

I did not vote for the EU, we have never had a chance to vote in or out.
It just built itself without any decision from the electorate of the UK.

How is that democracy????

Please do explain and use the biggest and most obligatory words you can find to support staying in the EU.

 

[Boycey0211]

One thing's for certain anybody who still can't make their mind up should be banned from voting as they must be incredibly thick.

Does that apply to people that just listen to either sides hyperbole rather than rationally looking at facts though?

 

[datalol-jack]

Its down to personal choice, or is that forbidden in your EU utopian hierarchy?

I did not vote for the EU, we have never had a chance to vote in or out.
It just built itself without any decision from the electorate of the UK.

How is that democracy????

Please do explain and use the biggest and most obligatory words you can find to support staying in the EU.

Did I say you cannot vote the way you want to vote? That's why we are having a referendum. No big words needed to tell you this: if you fire-out propaganda on full auto-burst, someone will always call you up on it, since you are apparently trying in your own way to persuade people to vote in line with your preference.

Or is disagreement prohibited in the kind of Free Britain you imagine?

 

[datalol-jack]

Does that apply to people that just listen to either sides hyperbole rather than rationally looking at facts though?

He's probably implying that the many evils of the EU are self-evident, require no proof and it's a done deal. So obviously if one cannot see that and commit to the Exit camp, then they must lack in cognition or are some kind of traitor (class, nation, democracy, pick you poison)... Yeah. Great stuff.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

One thing's for certain anybody who still can't make their mind up should be banned from voting as they must be incredibly thick.

I'm sure you know the intricacies of both sides and every single implication they could possibly bring for the UK in the future.

LOL

 

[George Hincapie]

http://news.cbi.org.uk/campaigns/ou...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

Impartial I mean. The CBI aren't.

 

[itchy]

I think you missed the statement of "Personal choice?"

Its up to you how you vote, I have no say in the matter so that argument is mute.

 

[kindai]

Which laws?

How about the ridiculous laws regarding vacuum cleaners, limiting their power usage as well as other appliances where sometimes more power does equal better results?

How about the VAT rules regarding digital purchases which adds a whole bunch of pointless paperwork to small and medium businesses?

How about those rules meaning we cant manage our own flood prevention measures as we would like?

How about the policies which led to the hammering of our steel industries?

What about the stupid emissions standards rules which allowed VW to fudge the results for so long?

 

[Tunney]

Them human rights laws.

For the last time, the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.

 

[deuse]

snip.

You must have a lot to lose. You haven't posted much in 5 years but now you've gone postal. Wonder why? hmmmm