Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[datalol-jack]

Impartial I mean. The CBI aren't.

To get an impartial take, you open up something more substational like one of their reports:

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/choosing-our-future-2015-eu-report/

Then you look at the quoted sources, pull up the stats and see if you agree. If you find fault in their method, available stats, etc, then there's a good case to cross-reference with the IMF, Eurostat, WTO and/or the business financial reports and other publicly available data you can get. A simple example would be, say, a business they quoted doesn't actually exit -- cause for alarm. But if the lot checks out, then their argument has more weight than anecdotal evidence and emotional storms.

You can apply the same approach starting with a Leave source. People don't do it often because the truth is inconvenient or they have already committed to a stance.

 

[Glaucus]

How about the ridiculous laws regarding vacuum cleaners, limiting their power usage as well as other appliances where sometimes more power does equal better results?

How about the VAT rules regarding digital purchases which adds a whole bunch of pointless paperwork to small and medium businesses?

How about those rules meaning we cant manage our own flood prevention measures as we would like?

How about the policies which led to the hammering of our steel industries?

What about the stupid emissions standards rules which allowed VW to fudge the results for so long?

Rofl.

Why not actually read up on such laws, they are not in the least bit stupid. Unless you get your info from low quality news sources who spin it to sell papers.

Oh no, vacuum cleaners actually have to do what they're meant to do and not allowed to south the dust back out. What a rubbish law

 

[deuse]

For the last time, the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.

We're getting are own human rights soon. Well that's what Cameron said.

 

[datalol-jack]

You must have a lot to lose. You haven't posted much in 5 years but now you've gone postal. Wonder why? hmmmm

Yes, you've unmasked me... I am in fact... the current European Council president DONALD TUSK! *DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!!*

 

[[TW]Fox]

What about the stupid emissions standards rules which allowed VW to fudge the results for so long?

Remind us again which country the VW emissions scandal began in and has had the most impact in?

Is it an EU member state?

 

[deuse]

Yes, you've unmasked me... I am in fact... the current European Council president DONALD TUSK! *DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!!*

You post all day every day like you have nothing better to do...like a job

 

[Tunney]

We're getting are own human rights soon. Well that's what Cameron said.

No, we were getting British Rights that would only apply to Brits. However, Dave has gone quiet on that front for now.

 

[datalol-jack]

You post all day every day like you have nothing better to do...like a job

Says a man with 14,491 posts, and an anti-EU chip on his shoulder. Well actually you're anti many things, but let's not trawl through that voluminous history of yours, shall we? It's beside the point.

I'm obviously a wily spy, recruited fresh out of Cambridge by the Commission, and sent to infiltrate OCUK, shortly after buying up considerable business holdings in the UK. What what!

 

[datalol-jack]

We're getting are own human rights soon. Well that's what Cameron said.

How can you be 'your own' human? Or in other words, how's British Human different from World Human?

 

[deuse]

Remind us again which country the VW emissions scandal began in and has had the most impact in?

Is it an EU member state?

That just shows the yanks are on the ball and the EU lot are idiots

 

[v0n]

Who voted for the EU leaders???

No one! So they can all **** off!

No, people you elected did. Oh, that's right, you probably chose to elect bunch of UKIP muppets who don't turn up to vote. Well, you get what you sow...

 

[[TW]Fox]

That just shows the yanks are on the ball and the EU lot are idiots

It shows us that it wasn't an EU issue as they were found cheating at the USA EPA tests first!

 

[mjt]

How about the ridiculous laws regarding vacuum cleaners, limiting their power usage as well as other appliances where sometimes more power does equal better results?

What?? Making vacuum cleaners more efficient in order to save electricity and ultimately save consumers money through lower utility bills whilst also lowering co2 emissions? How dare they!!

How about the VAT rules regarding digital purchases which adds a whole bunch of pointless paperwork to small and medium businesses?

Oh no! More paperwork for their accountants!
By charging consumers the VAT rate of their own country this actually will create a level playing field for UK businesses by removing the current competitive advantage of EU member states with lower rates of VAT.

What about the stupid emissions standards rules which allowed VW to fudge the results for so long?

So every country should have their own emissions standards? Sounds like a great use of taxpayers' money!

 

[Zethor]

Thursday 23 June

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35621079

 

[kindai]

Rofl.

The bit I left is what I thought of your reply.

Take your own advice, go read up and when you can come back with a reasoned argument and discussion on each I'll engage with you.

 

[deuse]

It shows us that it wasn't an EU issue as they were found cheating at the USA EPA tests first!

Thank you for proving my point
The USA found VW cheating and then UK, Italy, France, South Korea, Canada and, of course, Germany followed.

 

[Glaucus]

Yup won't as it is well reasoned.
You fell for headlines.
The EU law in vacuum can only be seen as a good thing. They have to a) suck up dirt, b) retain that dirt and not just spit it back out c) be energy efficient.

All three things are good for us consumers. It's a great law.
Gut you think all they did was inteoduce a law saying no more than 2kw motor. They didn't.
You haven't read the laws and are clueless.

Same as vat, as said levels the playing field and good for uk business.

As to emissions, what you want country specific limits?
Limits that were mainly broken in USA has they have tighter emission standards.
What was wrong with the tests? In your opinion. What would the uk had done better?
Now they been caught expect tighter controls and hefty fines.

So yes your post is lol worthy and shows why direct democracy is one of the worst systems out there.

 

[Danthus]

How about the ridiculous laws regarding vacuum cleaners, limiting their power usage as well as other appliances where sometimes more power does equal better results?

If we pull out, those laws will still exist if MR Dyson wants to flog is hoovers into mainland Europe.

How about the VAT rules regarding digital purchases which adds a whole bunch of pointless paperwork to small and medium businesses?

As above, those rules will still be inplace for anyone who wants to sell into Europe.

How about those rules meaning we cant manage our own flood prevention measures as we would like?

Actually, the real issue is the fact that we can't go direct to the Eu for cash for flood defences as any request needs to go through the UK government.

How about the policies which led to the hammering of our steel industries?

The EU wants to impose tariffs on cheap Chinese imports, the Conservatives oppose this.

What about the stupid emissions standards rules which allowed VW to fudge the results for so long?

Fox owned you on that.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Thank you for proving my point
The USA found VW cheating and then UK, Italy, France, South Korea, Canada and, of course, Germany followed.

That isn't what happened at all and even if it was I'm not sure how it 'proves your point'.

The emissions scandal is complex but at the heart of it was the use of a defeat device to get around the US's particularly unique and incredibly stringent NOX rules, which other manufacturers have had to use Urea injection systems to comply with yet VW apparently managed without. It was later found that a similar principle was present in EU market cars but of course as the regulations were less strict it's as yet unclear whether it's had any real effect and the whole thing rumbles on. Either way, it isn't a specific failing of the EU and I cannot see how it is relevant.

If anything the EU emissions standards are another benefit - we have a Europewide set of standards which is far better for consumers and manufacturers than having 28 different sets of standards to comply with!

 

[kindai]

What?? Making vacuum cleaners more efficient in order to save electricity and ultimately save consumers money through lower utility bills whilst also lowering co2 emissions? How dare they!!


Oh no! More paperwork for their accountants!
By charging consumers the VAT rate of their own country this actually will create a level playing field for UK businesses by removing the current competitive advantage of EU member states with lower rates of VAT.


So every country should have their own emissions standards? Sounds like a great use of taxpayers' money!

No1) Leading companies were already doing so, making more efficient designs and reducing power consumption, the law simply stifles them from producing a model for people who may require more power, however this law doesn't just effect vacuums, it effects a variety of appliances. As for the "lower utility bills and lower emissions" get over it, for the minuscule amount of time a vacuum is on in a household, forcing them below a certain power requirement will make no difference.

No2) I don't use an accountant, and neither do a lot of SMBs, meaning it is more work for them. It also means ive had to create and implement a system at my own expense to meet the requirements of the law, remind me a gain, who reimbursed me for the time and cost of implementing a law into my business I never voted on, and neither did anyone in this countries parliament?

No3) Well clearly the EU standard failed miserably. UK lobby groups have been advocating "real world" testing for years.