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I dislike the enforced VAT legislation which prevents the government from adjusting VAT to a level that suits the economy, I dislike the freedom of movement since the extension of the EU to include a range of disparate economies, I dislike the unfit for purpose NEDC vehicle testing system for emissions and fuel economy, etc. There is probably more, but then there are various things I really like, too - such as freedom of movement between similar economies, consumer protection legislation, etc.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote?
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I dislike the enforced VAT legislation which prevents the government from adjusting VAT to a level that suits the economy, I dislike the freedom of movement since the extension of the EU to include a range of disparate economies, I dislike the unfit for purpose NEDC vehicle testing system for emissions and fuel economy, etc. There is probably more, but then there are various things I really like, too - such as freedom of movement between similar economies, consumer protection legislation, etc.
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Sort-of, but the costs will be added on to the bills to compensate. Roaming still costs more money to the telcoms.
It costs almost no money to the telecoms firms - almost all of the cost of running a mobile network is physical infrastructure not per-usage charges.
Another guy that night spoke, Rory Broomfield. He said that white goods are more expensive as a result of being in the EU citing the EU changes to the wattage of hoovers as an example.
What he didn't mention was the likes of Panasonic and LG being able to lower their prices as a result of manufacturing goods within the EU thus not incurring import tariffs.
What he didn't mention was the likes of Panasonic and LG being able to lower their prices as a result of manufacturing goods within the EU thus not incurring import tariffs.
It's in the interest of mobile operators to strike a deal with foreign providers to charge them less when their customers roam, in exchange for charging foreign providers less when their customers roam onto their own network. Legislation helps bump that process along. Roaming costs are what the foreign operator decide to charge back, which has often been whatever they could get away with.
[TW]Fox;28881033 said:
Similar to my views then.
I personally don't like the political union project, I don't want to be part of that, especially when we have poor ex-communist countries , aswell as countries which aren't similar culturally.
I always find it funny how the old labour party saw the EU as a threat to its workers via wage stagnation and influx of cheap labour. How times change.
In short I like Europe, I just don't like Europe in a political union.
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I decided not to vote in this thread initially, but after I reflected I feel that the UK is a more logical political and economic entity than the EU. I feel in order to operate an effective "union" ("union" in the context it exist within the EU), the parties involved have to more than just economic and travel cohesion but rather a shared believe and way of life. Quite frankly I don't see that cohesion, rather I see division. The EU has had sufficient time and resource to prove it's value to the UK, but it hasn't delivered.
The two primary benefits of the union we have are [A] trade and travel. Given our history and our ties to the our European partners I feel we can establish those without being in the EU. I say that because, the doom sayers suggested that the UK not adopting the Euro would be terrible for the UK, but that just didn't happen.
I feel what we will lose (and we will) in political influence, we will gain from independence.
Ultimately I see our European partners as friends, good friends that we need to trade with and where possible allow us to work together. I feel those goals can be achieved without being apart of the EU, but being outside and supporting and working with our friends in Europe.
The two primary benefits of the union we have are [A] trade and travel. Given our history and our ties to the our European partners I feel we can establish those without being in the EU. I say that because, the doom sayers suggested that the UK not adopting the Euro would be terrible for the UK, but that just didn't happen.
I feel what we will lose (and we will) in political influence, we will gain from independence.
Ultimately I see our European partners as friends, good friends that we need to trade with and where possible allow us to work together. I feel those goals can be achieved without being apart of the EU, but being outside and supporting and working with our friends in Europe.
Surely if Britain was out and a member of the WTO, and been a massive importer, much more than we export the tariffs wouldn't exist.
It wouldn't make business sense
Of course it would make business sense - tariffs generate revenue for the state (as well as making domestic products more appealing locally). Generally a country that imports more is more likely to impose tariffs.
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That's Britain imposing the tariff then, what's the argument from the stay campaign saying everything will become more expensive but both can be negated from each other.
The original single market was ideal, the current state of the EU isn't what we originally signed for
errr so what did he actually ask for? neither quote tells me?
oh googleing says he asked to be able to restrict handing out benefits to migrants ill they've been here for 4 years.
rather tyhan turning up and instantly being able to claim the max despite never paid in?
that seems a pretty sensible request, turning it down basically has given independence campaign a massive vote winner.
until Europe has an equal benefits system throughout then its not really going to work.
maybe they should simply be eligible for the benifits they would have gotten in their own country.
oh googleing says he asked to be able to restrict handing out benefits to migrants ill they've been here for 4 years.
rather tyhan turning up and instantly being able to claim the max despite never paid in?
that seems a pretty sensible request, turning it down basically has given independence campaign a massive vote winner.
until Europe has an equal benefits system throughout then its not really going to work.
maybe they should simply be eligible for the benifits they would have gotten in their own country.
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In my opinion the UK should just tell the EU what we are going to do (insert terms) and tell the rest to deal with it.
Cameron is such a woss, what we need is a guy like Winston Churchill.
Cameron is such a woss, what we need is a guy like Winston Churchill.
The simple fact being that nation states don't legislate it, or the EU wouldn't have too.
Employment law is where I see the EU at it's best. Do you think any UK government is going to legislate to protect workers rights? Which is the only EU country to opt out of the working hours directive?
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Well, they are the things he has been banging on about for months, the tough deal he was going to renegotiate with Brussels, because at the end of the day he doesn't want us to leave Europe.
The main 4 points were :-
Protection of the single market for Britain and other non-euro countries
Boosting competitiveness by setting a target for the reduction of the "Burden" of red tape (Ahh, the eternal promise of reducing red tape - after all this time it's amazing there's any red tape left!)
Exempting Britain from "ever-closer union" and bolstering national parliaments
Restricting EU migrants' access to in-work benefits such as tax credits (and Child Tax Credits for children still in home nation)
The issue is, he has failed at the first hurdle, rightly or wrongly the tenent of free movement of citizens for work or travel is a fundamental part of the EU ideal and one they aren't going to give up on it seems
So Cameron talked tough, got slapped down, now lets see how he spins the watered down compromise as a victory for the UK and that we should still stay in.
very much in,
more for an idealogical standpoint than anything else.
the world needs less reasons to hate each other and that start with less borders.
instead of having a diverse and accepting culture, you create a culture of hate and inwardness.
ignore the **** politicians and think about the bigger picture.
more for an idealogical standpoint than anything else.
the world needs less reasons to hate each other and that start with less borders.
instead of having a diverse and accepting culture, you create a culture of hate and inwardness.
ignore the **** politicians and think about the bigger picture.
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That would be a particular stupid approach from Cameron - who doesn't actually want to leave the EU - and an incredibly naive and childish approach to negotiation.
Caporegime
We're living in a culture of increasing hatred and violence towards each other and this correlates with increasing freedom of travel around the world. We've already seen Islamic Jihadis use the Syrian migrant crisis as cover to get into Europe and carry out attacks in Paris. There's an old saying which I think is particularly accurate like a lot of old sayings - "Good fences make good neighbours".
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