Wouldn't sending UKIP MEP's be within the UK's interest? At least the percentage that voted for them? Kinda how voting works?
People who feel anti-EU should stop voting for their interests so your interest thrives?
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Wouldn't sending UKIP MEP's be within the UK's interest? At least the percentage that voted for them? Kinda how voting works?
People who feel anti-EU should stop voting for their interests so your interest thrives?
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Not how our voting works. If our representatives were directly proportional to the votes, we would be ******.
European elections are directly proportional to the votes, hence why UKIP win them
Isn't that exactly how the European Parliament Election works? Proportional.
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oops thought we were talking about ukips 3m votes winning one seat. Didnt properly read the post and have multiple threads open.
Also jsut because people think UKIP stand for our interest, it doesnt mean sending that lot would be in UKs best interest
Also jsut because people think UKIP stand for our interest, it doesnt mean sending that lot would be in UKs best interest
If UKIP could do anything to remove us from the EU in EU parliamentary elections that would hold. As it is UKIP MEPs cheerfully take the money they are paid and then fail to properly represent their constituents by turning up for votes (they have the worst voting record of any party in the parliament) or voting against UK interests when they do vote (such as when they voted against protection for UK fishermen). It's not a matter of not voting the way I'd like them to, it's a matter of them being terrible, lazy representatives in the EU parliament. I don't back the Tory MEPs but I wouldn't accuse them of not doing their jobs or not representing those who voted for them.
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It should have been and remained an exclusive trade union between countries of similar economic powers, not a all for one and one for all, include half the world club.
As for how i feel about ukip representatives whether i was for or against leaving the EU, i still wouldn't send the UKIPers in. Even if i whole heartedly agreed (i dont)for what they say they stand for, i would choose competence over good intentions any day.
As for how i feel about ukip representatives whether i was for or against leaving the EU, i still wouldn't send the UKIPers in. Even if i whole heartedly agreed (i dont)for what they say they stand for, i would choose competence over good intentions any day.
How will any of that change by leaving the EU? So you have to fill in a bit of paper and have some checks done - big deal.
Nothing is more important than the defence of the realm and free movement of people undermines that, and I feel really sorry for the European people in t he Schengen area who are finding this out now.
Ultimately the only evidence of whether a law is having the desired effect is to examine the actual usage of it. Perhaps if there were less than 10,000 Brits who have emigrated to Australia it might be indicative of a problem, but with over a million it is impossible for it to be a troublesome process.
And the people who live in nations without a free-movement agreement lose out. It's unfair to discriminate on the basis of nationality imo (apart from countries we're at war with).
Brussels doesn't allow us to have a fixed number of people emigrating to the UK, or we would have one. Nevertheless, the more people who come here from the EU, the fewer people from non-EU countries we can take. That is common sense.
Oh yeah - I forgot you actually believe that a job would be created for everyone who wants one. Unemployment doesn't exist at all in make-believe, unicorn, chocolate-gingerbread land.
Basically the pro-EU arguments consists solely of dodgy academic studies (e.g. the one that shows all migrants are a net economic benefit but fails to take into account that one day a percentage of those migrants will become a net drain on the economy) and outrageous scaremongering (e.g. Brits will no longer be able to live in France or Spain).
I wonder if you're overestimating the importance of MEPs in the Brussels' democratic process. Such is Brussels' disdain for democracy that all ministerial equivalent positions are appointed via horse-trading between the nations and rubber-stamped by the parliament, rather than them have any sort of accountability to the electorate. In effect this means that it doesn't matter whether your MEP is competent or not - he's sidelined from the real power-brokerage.
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Said by someone who clearly hasn't had to go through the UK visa process. I know people who have and it's awful. It can also get really expensive.
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But y'know some people live in a 'make-believe, unicorn, chocolate-gingerbread land'.
Also i lol'd at the 'defence of our realm' bit. Yeah a bit of paperwork to live here but that is enough to prevent any hostile people from finding their way in?
This just reinforces my point that the UK visa process currently discriminates against EU migrants. If we were allowed to limit migration from the EU then I'd imagine the current system would be made less arduous.
Ever gone through the process? It's not quick, cheap or easy. At least the lawyers will be happy!
You've clearly never had any real contact with actual immigration processes.
You're just demonstrating your ignorance with comments like this.
They only lose out if our government decides they do. There's no logical linkage here.
No, it's Tory party policy.
Making up silly strawmen doesn't help your cause. I didn't say there isn't unemployment, I said it is not impacted by immigration - as a mountain of evidence shows. Immigrants contribute to the economy, and that contribution creates new jobs. This shouldn't be in any way surprising, after all, we don't expect unemployment to increase as population increases in general so why should immigrants be different?
I know people who gave up going through the UK visa process, missed job opportunities because of it, and also new sorry person who ended a relationship because of it.
The people that want an end to freedom of worker movement have absolutely no idea what an amazing benefit it is, and how it is everyday people like you and me who benefit form it, along with corporations who can get the staff they need to be productive without jumping through a load of hoops and filling the pockets of lawyers with insane legal fees.
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So you think if there were strict immigration laws then there would be less admin, paperwork, red tape and rubber stamps?
Like say Australia, yeah?
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I have no idea what planet you're on, but clearly it's not one where the UK Home Office is involved.
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Well, if you say no to everyone off the bat, then its all sorted and process isnt dragged out xD
As for what planet he is from, i think its 'make-believe, unicorn, chocolate-gingerbread land'. Never heard of it myself before this page of the thread but that is probably because we dont get many of that lot come over here cause of the paperwork you gotta fill out due to lax immigration laws
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