Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote?

[V F]

This. Just take a look at this thread, nobody can give a valid reason to stay in or leave, it's a minefield.

Success for politicians. Keep you in the dark.

 

[FoxEye]

Success for politicians. Keep you in the dark.

I'm not sure anyone, even amongst politicians and business leaders, know with any degree of calculable certainty which outcome is best for the UK, either short or long term. Too many variables. I suspect most of them have vested interests, which will govern their preference one way or the other.

But who can say the UK would be "better in" or "better out", when the future is so unpredictable?

 

[robgmun]

So when a Labour's own Frank Field says to slash migration in a damning report, you know our country is heading to disaster:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ning-property-open-door-policy-continues.html

 

[jasonsony735]

My only reason for wanting to leave the EU is this = To much power is being given to Brussels !

A lot of the EU laws are stupid and make no sense.

 

[robgmun]

Plus, and this is what the Pro-EU people won't mention, there's no reason why any decent laws that come from the EU couldn't be made by us directly, we don't need the EU, and they need us way more than we need them

 

[FoxEye]

Plus, and this is what the Pro-EU people won't mention, there's no reason why any decent laws that come from the EU couldn't be made by us directly, we don't need the EU, and they need us way more than we need them

I'm not pro-EU, but you have to admit they have more focus on workers' rights than any Tory government, and perhaps Labour too.

The Torys didn't want a minimum wage, they argued against it. The Torys didn't want caps to weekly hours worked, they'd like people to be working 100 hour weeks on £4 an hour.

The Torys love 0 hour contracts. They don't want to regulate the rental market, they don't want rent caps, etc, etc.

The Torys would basically take us back to Victorian era work houses if they thought they could get away with it.

And so the EU does have its benefits. In some ways, I trust them more than our UK government.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

And so the EU does have its benefits. In some ways, I trust them more than our UK government.

I agree with you in many ways. My opinion on whether to leave or not is dependant on the terms of the relationship between eu and UK post leaving. It is definitely not so clear cut as you can say yes or no regardless of what terms are on or off the table.

Also i can trust the EU to not tiptoe around voters and be yes men to people who i don't trust to want what is good for them. More power to our government just means more room to **** up when they try and please the average voter. 3m+ UKIP nut-cases that could be swung their way if they put out some pretty silly policies. Whether the policies are good or bad, i can say that the voters themselves want them for the wrong reasons and lack a broad outlook on the matter.

 

[Tunney]

Plus, and this is what the Pro-EU people won't mention, there's no reason why any decent laws that come from the EU couldn't be made by us directly, we don't need the EU, and they need us way more than we need them

Wouldn't you agree that law and regulation harmonisation is beneficial though? And, if it is beneficial, isn't it better that we're part of the law-making process rather than having new laws dictated to us by the rest of Europe?

 

[phil675]

Wouldn't you agree that law and regulation harmonisation is beneficial though? And, if it is beneficial, isn't it better that we're part of the law-making process rather than having new laws dictated to us by the rest of Europe?

I would say no because European countries are all very different.

 

[Caged]

Plus, and this is what the Pro-EU people won't mention, there's no reason why any decent laws that come from the EU couldn't be made by us directly, we don't need the EU, and they need us way more than we need them

Personally I find the bureaucratic nature of the EU and the need for some form of consensus amongst member states a comfort that prevents things like human rights legislation being used as a political football. Anything that keeps Theresa May's vile ideas at bay is worth it.

 

[D.P.]

My only reason for wanting to leave the EU is this = To much power is being given to Brussels !

A lot of the EU laws are stupid and make no sense.

And British laws are never stupid and are perfectly rational?


It is actually a misnomer that the EU creates more laws per capita than the UK, quite the opposite. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to beleive that a Brexit woudln't mean the EU laws and egulayions are cpied directly into UK law since they simply make a lot of sense in the vast majoirty of cases.



Don't pick up the ridiculous Daily Fail headlines and believe that all EU laws are the same caliber. They are mostly to do with thing alike workers rights, health and safety, provision of basic social services. A typically example might be the EU working time directive, minimum 4-weeks annual paid leave, 48 hour working week etc. Very important laws, if the UK left the EU most likely very similar or even stricter rules might apply, but if the rules were abolished it would be a massive step back into the 19th century,

 

[Tunney]

I would say no because European countries are all very different.

We're all culturally-Christian countries with a shared history. In my experience, our similarities vastly outnumber our differences.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

People seemed pretty chuffed with the laws on returns and guarantees of electronic goods (despite them not changing all that much) and also the power efficiency laws introduced on home appliances like vacuum cleaners.

 

[Nitefly]

EU's impact on law is entirely pro-individual / consumer. I think that's a great thing.

 

[platypus]

Plus, and this is what the Pro-EU people won't mention, there's no reason why any decent laws that come from the EU couldn't be made by us directly, we don't need the EU, and they need us way more than we need them

Other than in an opening argument, is there any real need to keep mentioning something thats so obvious?

 

[scorza]

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/Documents/workingpapers/2015/swp574.pdf

Bank of England finds that all previous academic studies claiming that immigration had no impact on wages are in fact, wrong. Who knew? Everyone with a modicum of common sense I would suggest.

This paper asks whether immigration to Britain has had any impact on average wages. There seems to be a broad consensus among academics that the share of immigrants in the workforce has little or no effect on native wages. These studies typically have not refined their analysis by breaking it down into different occupational groups. Our contribution is to extend the existing literature on immigration to include occupations as well. We find that the immigrant to native ratio has a small negative impact on average British wages. This finding is important for monetary policy makers, who are interested in the impact that supply shocks, such as immigration, have on average wages and overall inflation. Our results also reveal that the biggest impact of immigration on wages is within the semi/unskilled services occupational group. We also investigate if there is any differential impact between immigration from the EU and non-EU, and find that there is no additional impact on aggregate UK wages as a result of migrants arriving specifically from EU countries. These findings accord well with intuition and anecdotal evidence, but have not been recorded previously in the empirical literature.

The report goes on to say that a 10% rise in the proportion of immigrants working in semi/unskilled services leads to a 2 percent reduction in pay.

 

[Danthus]

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/Documents/workingpapers/2015/swp574.pdf

Bank of England finds that all previous academic studies claiming that immigration had no impact on wages are in fact, wrong. Who knew? Everyone with a modicum of common sense I would suggest.



The report goes on to say that a 10% rise in the proportion of immigrants working in semi/unskilled services leads to a 2 percent reduction in pay.

This paper asks whether immigration to Britain has had any impact on average wages. There seems to be a broad consensus among academics that the share of immigrants in the workforce has little or no effect on native wages.

 

[scorza]

Can your brain only comprehend the first sentence in a paragraph? Basically that sentence is there to deliver a slap-down to the said academics in the last sentence of the paragraph.

 

[Danthus]

I take it this is one of those academic reports we can trust Scorza?

 

[scorza]

I take it this is one of those academic reports we can trust Scorza?

It's not an academic report I'd still use the same caveat - shall we say the timing of this report and its findings are convenient to say the least for the PM as he effects his pointless renegotiation in Brussels. In a way, it proves my point that these reports will find what the authors want them to find. Nevertheless it is a serious broadside to the academic report writing industry from a respected organisation.