The FA CUP Third Round - 7/8/9 January *** Spoilers ****

dannyjo22 said:
You won't care but I can bet your sponsors and owners will not be happy with more reports bringing the name of the club down. I agree with what you are saying about Evra, he's very unlikeable but in normal circumstances he wouldn't have got 90 minutes of booing.

So the conclusion will be made that the fans are equally as racist when they target him for 90 minutes in the face of overwhelming press reports saying liverpool and their fans have been slow and backward in their reaction and handling of suarez.

It will not reflect well on your club, the best thing they could do is ignore him completely.
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Bingo.

Edit: and to Baz, no-one is saying Liverpool fans are racist for booing Evra but that's how it's going to look to the outside world.
 
jakeke said:
It looked quite innocuous, but that's only because Nani ducked out of the tackle to ride it, if Nani challenged for the ball he was in big trouble. It's silly to dismiss it as not being a red, the laws say excessive force is a red card, and the ref judged it as that, quite understandably.
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The problem is just that, he didn't duck out of the challenge, Kompany was simply on the floor before Nani got there, it wasn't studs up in the way that "studs up" means dangerous, 70-80% of tackles are "studs up" literally, studs up generally means in a dangerous way and usually high, his were neither.

THe vast majority of tackles in between standing and sliding on the floor 2 feet are off the ground, 2 feet are off the ground when you run, so if you tackle as you run it would literally at some point be a "two footed challenge".

The danger, recklessness and red cardable part of it is if you don't hit the floor before you get to the player, so you're still mid air with your studs/feet above ground height AS you reach the player, that is when a tackle moves from on the ground to a leg breaker.

Had Nani had contact made, it would be from likely one foot, on his foot, not high and no more dangerous than most tackles.

Also two footed is, difficult, in terms of a stamping motion its when you jump in on a player(after the player gets there) with both feet together. Also what makes a tackle particularly dangerous is if the legs are locked straight because both its much harder to pull your legs away and there is no cushioning in the contact that happens when the legs are bent.

Kompany was, on the ground before Nani got there, got the ball, not sure he even touched Nani, his feet weren't that close, nor were his legs locked out.

Sorry but, its not a foul, not a yellow and not a red.

Entertaining game though, but City spent too much time defending and peeing around in their own half when they could have been attacking.

Mancini is making the same mistakes he's been making all year, generally speaking in the big games Silva has been anonymous and Nasri has been useless. Those two together just isn't a tough team, nor a hard working team, nor a good combination.

Considering the back line you could almost without question expect, Evra, Rio, Smalling, Jones, they put three midgets out, two of which have looked poor recently and poor in these types of games. De Jong also started off pretty poorly but grew into the game, he looked very out of form and not really match fit. But got better as time moved on, again had there been a bit more rotation up till now City would likely have less injuries AND their "back up" players would have a little form to carry into games like today.

Johnson didn't look fantastic or anything, but looked a damn site better than Silva or Nasri in effectiveness, and is obviously way faster than either which was something they would clearly need to break more effectively.

Basically I think Mancini got almost everything wrong.

Jones though, bad crossing, bad passing, bad tackling, was generally just woeful. Looking less and less like a out and out defender each time I see him.
 
BaZ87 said:
You'd conclude that Liverpool fans are racist for booing Evra? .
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No I wouldn't but you have to see the press in regards to the suarez incident. Not tabloids but the 'proper' papers. They have all been disgusted by Liverpools stance. It will reflect badly on the club when they boo him to hell, you can bet your life on it.

BaZ87 said:
You can see it wouldn't be racist but the outside world can't? It would only seem that way to idiots and who cares what they think.
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I'm sorry but in the main it's the fans that are the idiots. I love passion and love for a club but on the whole they are the idiots. There is no way on earth I would take my son to see a football match and listen to some of the vile stuff I've heard over the years.

If they start on Evra they will just be seen as more scum football fans. It will be very damaging to your club. I'm hoping this whole sorry incident can finally be the push the sport needs to clean up the grounds from some of the vile abuse. :)

FrankJH said:
you should be happy about that to get some finance into the club :D
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Fair point :D
 
Im watching that second city goal again, Im pretty sure that lindegaard guessed that aguerro would slot it into the near post - not hit it in the middle of the goal . But he saved it with his trailing body but could keep it out of citys grasp.
 
How do you mean? Im not saying it was awful like others were Im just understanding what happened. He showed today that his weakness is his kicking. conversely de geas strength is his distribution. Between them you could create a mean goalie.
 
Mind you, add them both together and he'd still be shorter than Pantalaimon. When he came up for that last corner I thought the big friendly giant had turned up.
 
dannyjo22 said:
No I wouldn't but you have to see the press in regards to the suarez incident. Not tabloids but the 'proper' papers. They have all been disgusted by Liverpools stance. It will reflect badly on the club when they boo him to hell, you can bet your life on it.
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You're mixing two different issues now. A lot of people have condemned Liverpool for their aggressive stance which while I don't entirely agree with, I understand. To go from that to concluding that Liverpool fans are racist if they boo Evra is nonsense though.

You and One More Sole have said you wouldn't think Liverpool fans were racist if they boo'd Evra yet you believe many others will. The whole incident is not black and white, one person is a monster and the other is an angel. You can believe that Suarez is guilty/in the wrong and still be angered by Evra's part in the whole affair. As I said, he's a dislikable character to many people to begin with, he then attempted to wind up the Anfield crowd during the game (those 2 reasons alone were enough for Gary Neville to receive terrible abuse in his first visit to Anfield after the game where he ran to the Liverpool fans), he admitted to starting the argument and it's easily understandable if people believe that he lied and/or exaggerated his story.

I'm sure there will be a section of people that will come to the conclusion that Liverpool fans are racist just because they've boo'd Evra. Those people are ignorant clowns though.

Regarding the press specifically, while I'm sure they'd love to report that Liverpool fans were being racist (not because they believe it but to create a story), it would be incredibly dangerous of them to do so.

dannyjo22 said:
I'm sorry but in the main it's the fans that are the idiots. I love passion and love for a club but on the whole they are the idiots. There is no way on earth I would take my son to see a football match and listen to some of the vile stuff I've heard over the years.

If they start on Evra they will just be seen as more scum football fans. It will be very damaging to your club. I'm hoping this whole sorry incident can finally be the push the sport needs to clean up the grounds from some of the vile abuse. :)
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I agree that a lot of fans are idiots but I disagree that it would be any more damaging than the abuse we have and will continue to see. Certain players have and always will be subjected to terrible abuse from certain clubs.

Providing there's no racist abuse (although I personally believe that abusing somebody because they're black is no different to abusing them because they're a Manc or a Scouser), it will be no more damaging than the abuse dished out to Neville over the years or the abuse dished out to Gerrard from Utd and Everton fans.
 
mmmm whether to book the weekend off for the next round in the hope of Brighon somehow beating Wrexham....

I suppose it could be a 0-0 and go to penalties so we might have a chance(for anyone who doesn't know anything about Brighton, we can't score,against 11 men anyway)
 
14 pages and no video of the tackle? I am disappoint.


For me, it was a case of "a tackle that could have been a lot worse, but wasn't"

Harsh IMO.
 
Two main highlights of the day for me:

1) Rio playing a truly abysmal pass to Jones (I say "to Jones", that's being a bit generous, somewhere in the same county as him maybe) about 15 yards behind him and closer to Silva who of course got to the ball first, and then having the cheek to have a pop at him for getting caught!

2) Usual fail from ITV HD football coverage, no commentary for the first 9mins, it was actually better just listening to the crowd sound than their coverage, which they finally realised after about 5mins and put a message up.
 
Jokester said:
I'm pretty sure it's refs guidance that two footed tackles with studs up are automatic red cards.
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Definitely something has changed this season in terms of directives because there have been at least 3 or 4 in England that in years gone by wouldn't have been red cards (players winning the ball, no injury to opponent, feel not massively high etc).
 
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