The FA CUP Third Round - 7/8/9 January *** Spoilers ****

HangTime said:
Rio playing a truly abysmal pass to Jones (I say "to Jones", that's being a bit generous, somewhere in the same county as him maybe) about 15 yards behind him and closer to Silva who of course go to the ball first, and then having the cheek to have a pop at him for getting caught!
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Must admit it did raise a wry smile with me seeing Jones give Rio **** straight back in that instance :D

Ferdinand did have a point with his rollocking though, the entire back line were retreating back towards our own goal bar Jones who was stood aimlessly all the while Silva was stood between the two. He didn't really help Rio out when he was obviously looking to play it that direction (Rio obviously not knowing what was behind him)

As I said in the build up Smalling was key for us today so glad he was fit, he was almost faultless. We dont need to worry about Rio's long term replacement with him around :cool:
 
It was such a stupid pass (not the only one Rio did today) why he didn't just lay it back to Lindegaard is beyond me.

Smalling was excellent though, very encouraging that he's back.
 
EVH said:
14 pages and no video of the tackle? I am disappoint.


For me, it was a case of "a tackle that could have been a lot worse, but wasn't"

Harsh IMO.
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The fact he didnt break someones legs doesnt come into it, the fact that had he connected he would seriously injured the player...........does.

Thats why its a red card.
 
Tom84 said:
As I said in the build up Smalling was key for us today so glad he was fit, he was almost faultless. We dont need to worry about Rio's long term replacement with him around :cool:
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I totally agree - the problem is that it isnt that "long term", in a number of games this season Rio has looked very sluggish indeed. Im sure if he manages to play a number of games consistantly (big IF being Rio surely?) it may return, but how many free kicks/pens etc is he going to concede before then?

Smalling looked brilliant and without being 100% match fit either, absolutely brilliant game by him. I still think Utd could do with an experienced centre half (Evans can be decent but in the next game is completely woeful, Jones is currently too suspect positionally and should stick to midfield/right back, and even IF Vidic makes it back fully fit, he isnt the man mountain he was a season or two ago)

Its surely fair to say that its getting more and more likely both Vidic and Rio are going to be missing simultaniously (from next season) - so Smalling and Evans as a back pairing? hmmm - Chris cant be in two places at once (unfortunately)
 
atpbx said:
The fact he didnt break someones legs doesnt come into it, the fact that had he connected he would seriously injured the player...........does.

Thats why its a red card.
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But he wouldn't have seriously injured the player, as far as i can tell only man united fans seem to have that opinion.

When the tackle is made his leg is as low to the ground as it can go, his studs aren't going at the player, his right leg is also the only leg involved in the actual tackle. Sure his left leg is close but it in no way plays a part in tackling the player, nor does it swing back in a scissor motion as you'd expect from a dodgy tackle.

When all that is considered when you take into account he got the ball cleanly as well it's a harsh yellow let alone a red and i say that as someone who hates both teams equally.

EDIT: what i reckon caused the referee to give it was the way in which his feet lift after the tackle, it's as if he loses his balance during the tackle and his back goes down and legs go up after he's gone under the player, making it look far more dangerous than it ever was.
 
EVH said:
14 pages and no video of the tackle? I am disappoint.


For me, it was a case of "a tackle that could have been a lot worse, but wasn't"

Harsh IMO.
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looks like the tackle which broke Ben Arfa Leg. Hard follow though with scissor legs. Had Nani not jumped over it who knows
 
Yup, that's the way it happened. When someone comes in 6 inches off the ground when the other player gets there and the other player either hurdles it or just gets lucky, that is a case of "serious injury if contact". When the player is already on the ground before the player gets there, sorry, that is the same risk every single tackle carries, as in, there might be contact and anything can happen, that is life, but the risk of a leg break or something really serious is very small.

Hit someone in the foot, unlikely to break leg, hit them 2 inches above the ankle, very good chance to break leg, its really that simple. ACtually I'd say, hit someone two inches above the ground, and all your weight in the tackle while off the floor, very very good chance to break the leg, on the floor, bent leg, with significantly less weight behind the tackle and there is a risk but its significantly less. That is why "lunging" and stamping tackles are being red carded so often, because even when there is no contact it is the risk of significant contact so getting players to not even consider those tackles is a good thing.

Again watch some replays of most tackles, most of the time at some stage on the way to the ground the players weight is "in the air", the difference between a lunging dangerous tackle, and a normal tackle, is where you are going to hit the ground, before the player gets there, or catch him before you hit the ground.

I mean, by the theory that all tackles are dangerous in that sense, if Nani was 10 metres away and Kompany did the same thing, still a red, what if Kompany was 40 metres away from anyone and jumped in to prevent the ball going out of play, what above Nani standing still 5 metres away. THe proximity of a player determines what is safe and what is not, always has done. You can do a ridiculously high footed kick on the ball if no one else is around, do it right by another players head, even without catching them, its simply dangerous play.
 
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mrbios said:
But he wouldn't have seriously injured the player, as far as i can tell only man united fans seem to have that opinion.

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So lets just get this straight, an airborne challenge, both feet off the ground, traveling in the opposite direction to the player you intend to tackle will not injure the player in any way, shape or form it connects?

Please tell me if i am misrepresenting what you have said at all.
 
Unreal. atpbx has it right.

What some of your are saying then, is that players should be allowed to go in with those sorts of challenges, and only be sent off if they injure the opposing player.

is it fair that the said player is then out for the season, and/or end of career while the offending player gets a whole 3 match ban? ridiculous.

Whilst I agree the game has become rather soft, two footed challenges the same as Kompany did on Sunday should always be given red.
 
Rooney did run to the ref hands up right after the 'tackle'. You would have thought he would have learnt about these things from his reaction to Ronaldo doing this and also through the way he got that player that he lashed out at to write a letter to eufa asking for leniency for the euroes lol.
 
What most people for some reason either don't understand or choose to ignore is that according to the rules of the game right now a two footed tackle where both feet are off the floor = straight red, regardless of whether or not the ball is won.
 
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