The FA CUP Third Round - 7/8/9 January *** Spoilers ****

[Bigpig]

That's a good point, there's one angle where it does look like a dangerous tackle, i'm not sure what angle this is in reference to the refs position though (one where you're behind a man city player watching it through his legs ... oo err )

It's the angle behind manu number 11?

 

[Bigpig]

You don't have to hit the player with both feet for it to be considered a two footed tackle you know

Kompany's tackle was a textbook two footed tackle really. It satisfies all the criteria. Two feet forward, studs up, flying through the air.

If anything Nani skipping over it made it look like a better tackle than it actually was. If he had connected with Nani and broke his leg we'd be saying it was the most disgusting tackle this season like De Jong's tackle on Ben Arfa last season (was very similar, he also scissored both sides of the player's leg).

Broke his leg in two places. He almost lost it. People in here where saying that was a good tackle here also

 

[mrbios]

It's the angle behind manu number 11?

Yea that's the one, i don't know if that fact it's low level makes his feet look higher than they are, but the way he comes out of the tackle alone is made to look really dangerous from that angle. Whereas from the other angles it just looks like a really good well timed tackle.

 

[Gilly]

I don't think it's at all comparable to the de Jong tackle. Even if Nani hadn't jumped out of the way he would have only caught him with the tackling leg, and there's no scissoring motion at all.

Lampard's 'yellow card' tackle was much worse. He was studs up, caught the player full on the leg and got (IIRC) none of the ball.

 

[Wayners]

I don't think it's at all comparable to the de Jong tackle. Even if Nani hadn't jumped out of the way he would have only caught him with the tackling leg, and there's no scissoring motion at all.

Lampard's 'yellow card' tackle was much worse. He was studs up, caught the player full on the leg and got (IIRC) none of the ball.

Your assuming that Nani wouldnt have got to the ball first, and your assuming where Nani was going to be directionally.

Pointless even speculating about that part, because he could have put his feet anywhere.

 

[Gilly]

Your assuming that Nani wouldnt have got to the ball first, and your assuming where Nani was going to be directionally.

Pointless even speculating about that part, because he could have put his feet anywhere.

Pointless speculating about any of it then

I think it's fair to assume he would be in the vicinity of the ball, unless he saw something sparkly and chased it?

 

[A2M]

Can't believe some people's angles on this, you can't leave the ground 2 feet leading towards somebody else. You are not staying on the pitch.

Because he didn't cripple the lad, is not a ******* excuse to be lenient.

WOAH, he didn't injure him so what's the problem? Intent means nothing anymore, lets fly into every tackle and as long as we don't injure anyone it's fair game.

well it didn't go unpunished, he got a yellow but as you said ''Rules state, 2 feet off the ground and studs up, red card.''.

hey ho.

So let me get this right, because a referee failed to send someone off for a similar challenge it's ok not to card him? Have you heard the saying 'two wrongs do not make a right' ?

But hey ho.

it's a very good tackle, looks very controlled and assured

No it wasn't, it was wreckless, hence the red card. People are forgetting the intent involved here, it wasn't just the tackle he went for, it was the intent, if you go flying into a two footed lunge like that, you're giving the referee ample opportunity to send you off.

This is all in the week where a few bad tackles have happened and the players not punished correctly, the ref didn't have a choice but to send him off, nothing to do with Rooney/imaginary cards.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Intent to get the ball?

 

[A2M]

Intent to get the ball?

He did intend to get the ball, I don't think he went into thinking 'I'm going to leather him here' but I also don't think he went into thinking 'I'm gonna win the ball here and slide through like a boss'

He was letting the other player know he was there, a good kick in the first ten minutes does wonders for defenders worried about pacy wingers.

Like I said, you give the referee little option if you fly into a tackle like that, two footed, studs up.

Yes he got the ball but the alternative would have been the other players shin/ankle.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

On first viewing I thought never a red and I stand by that because I think the game's gone soft and anything bar a full on assault, possibly with weapons, should be allowed. Having said that, letter of the law says he should go so the ref had no alternative.

 

[A2M]

On first viewing I thought never a red and I stand by that because I think the game's gone soft and anything bar a full on assault, possibly with weapons, should be allowed. Having said that, letter of the law says he should go so the ref had no alternative.

Is that not what I just said

I agree, it was harsh and I was as shocked as anyone when he showed him the red but I also thought at the time 'that must have been nasty' due to Rooney's reaction to it. I don't remember anyone waving imaginery cards at the ref like some people are making out though.

The best person to see what happened at the time other than the players involved was Rooney, now I'm not overly sure but Rooney doesn't strike me as a wimp on the pitch and my first thought was that must have been dodgy due to Rooney's reaction, the slow motion replay confirmed my suspicions.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Is that not what I just said

I agree, it was harsh and I was as shocked as anyone when he showed him the red but I also thought at the time 'that must have been nasty' due to Rooney's reaction to it. I don't remember anyone waving imaginery cards at the ref like some people are making out though.

The best person to see what happened at the time other than the players involved was Rooney, now I'm not overly sure but Rooney doesn't strike me as a wimp on the pitch and my first thought was that must have been dodgy due to Rooney's reaction, the slow motion replay confirmed my suspicions.

You haven't watched him lately then, in the very last game, even with most of the early decisions and a stole wall penalty being denied every little decision Rooney was waving his arms, screaming and swearing at the ref. He's been getting incredibly mouthy lately, "old" Rooney will over a huge decision swear his moob's off, that's nothing new but he doesn't, or didn't afaik complain about every little decision like a girl. But against Newcastle he was an embarrassment for more than just his performance. I don't think I've seen a player complain so often about every little thing, it was just all the more ridiculous as Utd were getting decision after decision go their way in the first half when he was being the most mouthy.

 

[Wayners]

You haven't watched him lately then, in the very last game, even with most of the early decisions and a stole wall penalty being denied every little decision Rooney was waving his arms, screaming and swearing at the ref. He's been getting incredibly mouthy lately, "old" Rooney will over a huge decision swear his moob's off, that's nothing new but he doesn't, or didn't afaik complain about every little decision like a girl. But against Newcastle he was an embarrassment for more than just his performance. I don't think I've seen a player complain so often about every little thing, it was just all the more ridiculous as Utd were getting decision after decision go their way in the first half when he was being the most mouthy.

Some call that passion. When I play im complaining from the first 5 minutes if a player isnt doing what they should be or the ref makes, what I believe to be, the wrong decision.

If I didnt care, I wouldnt do it, no?

besides, judging by the majority of posts you put up you talk a huge amount of crap anyway. (my opinion, of course)

 

[mmj_uk]

Kompany just kinda flopped downward to the ground with both feet apart, he wasn't running full speed and launching himself horizontally through the air with both feet together and all of his weight behind it. It was no worse than the one footed tackles you see umpteen times during a match really except he used two feet.

Personally, I'd like to see players who lobby the referee to get other players booked/sent off given a straight yellow.

 

[Robbo]

The criteria for a red card had been met by the reckless manner in which he entered the challenge.

The rest is up to the ref, he can ignore it, give a yellow or give a red. He gave a red, you may consider it to be harsh, but it was ultimately a fair sending off.

As for Rooney (and probably the ref), it may well have looked worse than it was, and in that case - Rooney seeing Kompany try and break Nani's leg in half, but miss - he had every right to shout about it to the referee.

I actually think it's quite sad that Man City are trying to spin the fact they lost into some kind of 'moral victory', it's pathetic.

 

[A2M]

You haven't watched him lately then, in the very last game, even with most of the early decisions and a stole wall penalty being denied every little decision Rooney was waving his arms, screaming and swearing at the ref. He's been getting incredibly mouthy lately, "old" Rooney will over a huge decision swear his moob's off, that's nothing new but he doesn't, or didn't afaik complain about every little decision like a girl. But against Newcastle he was an embarrassment for more than just his performance. I don't think I've seen a player complain so often about every little thing, it was just all the more ridiculous as Utd were getting decision after decision go their way in the first half when he was being the most mouthy.

What has any of that got to do with Rooney complaining about a potential leg breaking tackle Players complain all the time, you must support a team of angels that never complain?

 

[BaZ87]

Having said that, letter of the law says he should go so the ref had no alternative.

...according to the rules of the game right now a two footed tackle where both feet are off the floor = straight red....

This isn't true. The laws of the game do not specify 2 footed tackles as red card offenses. Just like with fouls as the last man & goalscoring opportunities, people assume that a 2 footed tackle is a red card because more often than not it is or should be.

The laws state that a player is sent off if the challenge uses excessive force and they define excessive force as:

"Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

The laws state that a challenge should be punished with a yellow card if it was deemed reckless and define reckless as:

"Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.

Looking at what the laws of the game actually say, in my opinion Kompany's challenge was more of a yellow card than a red. He wasn't out of control and crucially, I don't think he used excessive force. It was just a stupid way of tackling.

 

[A2M]

The criteria for a red card had been met by the reckless manner in which he entered the challenge.

The rest is up to the ref, he can ignore it, give a yellow or give a red. He gave a red, you may consider it to be harsh, but it was ultimately a fair sending off.

As for Rooney (and probably the ref), it may well have looked worse than it was, and in that case - Rooney seeing Kompany try and break Nani's leg in half, but miss - he had every right to shout about it to the referee.

I actually think it's quite sad that Man City are trying to spin the fact they lost into some kind of 'moral victory', it's pathetic.

The funny thing about all this is, wasn't it the same teams involved in the fa cup semi final where Scholes I think it was got sent off for a high foot?

I remember the Manchester City fans being in uproar at the awful tackle at the time. How quickly these things are forgotten.

 

[Pighardia]

Personally, I'd like to see players who lobby the referee to get other players booked/sent off given a straight yellow.

I agree and disagree, it isn't nice to try and get players booked/sent off when it isn't needed, but if you have someone constantly fouling you for example, I don't see anything wrong in the slightest with going to the ref and saying something to the effect of "are you going to do punish him?". I have had games where a defender had been elbowing me and pulling me back the whole game, so I go to the ref and try to get him to stop it.


trying to con the ref in to booking a player is obviously wrong though.

 

[atpbx]

mr bios is correct, it makes zero difference. the point is, every other utd player just carries on, it's only once rooney makes a fuss that foy blows, therefore, he has influenced foy's decision. not the first time a player has done it, wont be the last either. foy is inept, it's been proven before this game.

So you've never raised up in a game and gone "referee!!" when one of your team mates has been clattered?

Not once in a game have you shouted "thats a pen" when one fo your lads has gone down in the box?

Unbelievable.