The FA CUP Third Round - 7/8/9 January *** Spoilers ****

[A2M]

The criteria for a red card had been met by the reckless manner in which he entered the challenge.

The rest is up to the ref, he can ignore it, give a yellow or give a red. He gave a red, you may consider it to be harsh, but it was ultimately a fair sending off.

As for Rooney (and probably the ref), it may well have looked worse than it was, and in that case - Rooney seeing Kompany try and break Nani's leg in half, but miss - he had every right to shout about it to the referee.

I actually think it's quite sad that Man City are trying to spin the fact they lost into some kind of 'moral victory', it's pathetic.

The funny thing about all this is, wasn't it the same teams involved in the fa cup semi final where Scholes I think it was got sent off for a high foot?

I remember the Manchester City fans being in uproar at the awful tackle at the time. How quickly these things are forgotten.

 

[Mekrel]

Mancini's comments about Rooney influencing the ref are laughable. It was only a week ago that he was waving an imaginary card about.

 

[mmj_uk]

I agree and disagree, it isn't nice to try and get players booked/sent off when it isn't needed, but if you have someone constantly fouling you for example, I don't see anything wrong in the slightest with going to the ref and saying something to the effect of "are you going to do punish him?". I have had games where a defender had been elbowing me and pulling me back the whole game, so I go to the ref and try to get him to stop it.

Let them speak to their own manager so he can air the complaint to the fourth official I say.

 

[jakeke]

Mancini's comments about Rooney influencing the ref are laughable. It was only a week ago that he was waving an imaginary card about.

Probably deflection from Mancini, Rooney did absolutely nothing wrong. If somebody slid in like that on my mate I'd be shouting the ref too, as would any normal team mate.

 

[BaZ87]

The funny thing about all this is, wasn't it the same teams involved in the fa cup semi final where Scholes I think it was got sent off for a high foot?

Hardly comparable challenges. Scholes went in thigh high and got all man, none of the ball.

A better comparison would be Rafael's challenge on Meireles a year ago today. He stamped down 2 footed into a challenge; he won the ball and like Nani, Meireles pulled out of the challenge so there was no contact. I can't recall any Utd fans saying he should have been sent off though.

 

[foz2000]

So you've never raised up in a game and gone "referee!!" when one of your team mates has been clattered?

Not once in a game have you shouted "thats a pen" when one of your lads has gone down in the box?

Unbelievable.

I actually think that it was a red card (arsenal fan) but I find it most annoying when over the xmas period how many times I've seen a player swear at the ref and not get sent off for it (it's stated in the rules as a sending off offence), why have rules if they're not going to be enforced across the board.

I understand that many will argue that it's a yellow or a red but for me it's a harsh red, but a red never the less.

 

[shipinabottle]

Hardly comparable challenges. Scholes went in thigh high and got all man, none of the ball.

A better comparison would be Rafael's challenge on Meireles a year ago today. He stamped down 2 footed into a challenge; he won the ball and like Nani, Meireles pulled out of the challenge so there was no contact. I can't recall any Utd fans saying he should have been sent off though.

Of course not, call it blinkers but you're not going to call for your own player to be sent off, now arguing a valid red, whether harsh so early in the game or not is another thing.

Lamps should have gone, Kompany deserved to go, Rafael probably should have went from what I can remember, just as the Scholes challenge was a none decision for me as a Utd fan, the lad can make a silly challenge, I don't sit there and try and argue it with ridiculous blinkers. There's no place for reckless challenges that can ruin careers or at the very least a season.

 

[Robbo]

Hardly comparable challenges. Scholes went in thigh high and got all man, none of the ball.

A better comparison would be Rafael's challenge on Meireles a year ago today. He stamped down 2 footed into a challenge; he won the ball and like Nani, Meireles pulled out of the challenge so there was no contact. I can't recall any Utd fans saying he should have been sent off though.

If Rafael was sent off for that, I would have had no complaints.

 

[BaZ87]

Of course not, call it blinkers but you're not going to call for your own player to be sent off.....

I know. I wouldn't have mentioned it had A2M not been tried (and failed, given his example) to label City fans as hypocrites.

 

[Accendo]

Hardly comparable challenges. Scholes went in thigh high and got all man, none of the ball.

A better comparison would be Rafael's challenge on Meireles a year ago today. He stamped down 2 footed into a challenge; he won the ball and like Nani, Meireles pulled out of the challenge so there was no contact. I can't recall any Utd fans saying he should have been sent off though.

From what I remember Rafael didn't go through the man though, I'd say this one was more reckless than that one.

 

[A2M]

Hardly comparable challenges. Scholes went in thigh high and got all man, none of the ball.

A better comparison would be Rafael's challenge on Meireles a year ago today. He stamped down 2 footed into a challenge; he won the ball and like Nani, Meireles pulled out of the challenge so there was no contact. I can't recall any Utd fans saying he should have been sent off though.

I agree, I just think it's funny when it is the same teams involved.

You also have to remember that between United and Liverpool that same season there was quite a nasty tackle on one of their players at Anfield which didn't result in a red card. That doesn't mean that they both shouldn't have been. The defense of 'well in 2008 you tackled our player like that' doesn't wash I'm afraid. The punishment should be based on what happened, not what may have or not happened in the past. I just find it funny that all the MC fans were in uproar about it, yet De Jong et all go in 'strong' - Nothing wrong with that in my book guv'na (as long as it is our players and not the opposition)

 

[BaZ87]

From what I remember Rafael didn't go through the man though, I'd say this one was more reckless than that one.

He didn't go through the man because Meireles pulled out of the challenge. As I said at the time, not that I necessarily thought it was a red, we've seen reds given for far less and could have easily ended up with a red card. Very similar to my opinion on Kompany's challenge.

 

[A2M]

I know. I wouldn't have mentioned it had A2M not been tried (and failed, given his example) to label City fans as hypocrites.

They are hypocrites though.

Scholes tackle - He could have broke his leg the dirty *******.

Kompany tackle - He's gone in hard but it's a fair tackle what's wrong with flying in 2 footed?

Hypocritical

How have I tried and failed, I'm not trying to convince you, I don't care what you think, I was putting my own take on it, that's not a fail or a pass mark for ones opinion.

 

[BaZ87]

They are hypocrites though.

Scholes tackle - He could have broke his leg the dirty *******.

Kompany tackle - He's gone in hard but it's a fair tackle what's wrong with flying in 2 footed?

Hypocritical

For them to be hypocritical you'd need to look at their reactions from similar challenges. If you think Scholes's challenge on Zabaleta was similar to Kompany's then you're deluded.

I'm sure there are some hypocritical City fans but no more than any other club and if you're going to try and prove them to be hypocrites, you're going to have to do a bit better than you have.

 

[A2M]

For them to be hypocritical you'd need to look at their reactions from similar challenges.

If you think Scholes's challenge on Zabaleta was similar to Kompany's then you're deluded.

What's with the abuse for simply putting my opinion across?

I've failed and I'm deluded because I have pointed out hypocrisy?

Does every example of hypocrisy have to involve exactly the same scenario?

I don't think so

 

[BaZ87]

What's with the abuse for simply putting my opinion across?

I've failed and I'm deluded because I have pointed out hypocrisy?

Does every example of hypocrisy have to involve exactly the same scenario?

I don't think so

It's not abuse. I claimed that if you (or anybody) believe that the 2 challenges are comparable then you're deluded. You seemingly accept that they're not comparable, so you're not deluded

And yes, you do need to look at comparable scenario's in order to call a group of people hypocrites based on their reactions.

 

[A2M]

It's not abuse. I claimed that if you (or anybody) believe that the 2 challenges are comparable then you're deluded. You seemingly accept that they're not comparable, so you're not deluded

And yes, you do need to look at comparable scenario's in order to call a group of people hypocrites based on their reactions.

Not really, 2 tackles made on a football pitch are never going to be the same are they.

The hypocrisy comes into when it is 2 dangerous tackles but seen differently depending on what colour shirt you wear.

 

[drunkenmaster]

What has any of that got to do with Rooney complaining about a potential leg breaking tackle Players complain all the time, you must support a team of angels that never complain?

I quoted the post it was in reference to, it was yours, your post is almost entirely about Rooney and, the relevant pieces

now I'm not overly sure but Rooney doesn't strike me as a wimp on the pitch and my first thought was that must have been dodgy due to Rooney's reaction,

'that must have been nasty' due to Rooney's reaction to it

As in you called directly into question how Rooney's reaction backed up how bad it is because you don't believe him to cry over every little decision.

How is that relevant? It's relevant because its the exact argument you are using for judging how bad the tackle is.

As for the rest, you clearly didn't read, did I say no teams nor my players complain to the ref? No I said lately and specifically cited one game in which I made very clear Rooney went WELL beyond ANYTHING I've seen before in terms of complaining about decisions and this being again relevant because you were suggesting he isn't one to over react.

SEriously, watch the Newcastle game if you can, Rooney flops over near a newcastle player because its at worst a bit of shoulder to shoulder, soft at that, at best there isn't any contact, and he jumps up throws his arms around, screams at the ref. He did this throughout the first half for EVERYTHING, even decisions Utd got, despite the ref being woeful in the first half and giving Utd a whole host of ridiculous decisions.

No, I've never seen anyone on my team, or any team act as much as a girl as Rooney has recently.

 

[BaZ87]

Even if you choose to only look at the 'danger' aspect of each challenge (and not the intent etc), there are very clear differences in the two challenges. Scholes has gone into the challenge with far greater force and considerably higher. His challenge was far more likely to cause injury than Kompany's yesterday.

 

[grimm]

Even if you choose to only look at the 'danger' aspect of each challenge (and not the intent etc), there are very clear differences in the two challenges. Scholes has gone into the challenge with far greater force and considerably higher. His challenge was far more likely to cause injury than Kompany's yesterday.

No it wasn't. You're never going to break someone's thigh bone with a kick like that, the bone is too thick and Scholes' leg was too high to actually get any real weight behind it. Also there is no delicate tissue/ligaments around the thigh area compared to the lower leg and ankle area.

It was still an emarrassingly bad challenge from Scholes and he definitely deserved to be sent off (which he did), but the potential for injury was far less.