to me, this reads that you are suggesting that performance wise there was no advantage to having the 450 dollar card over the 150 dollar card
but the links you posted show that the 450 dollar card was 3 times the price but 5 times the performance and played the latest games at over 100fps which was a massive jump at the time, in fact price/performance that nvidia card is massively better value compare to the voodoo3
At that time it was pretty much a rerun of now. There were plenty of cheaper cards on the market that did the job perfectly well. People did not count FPS then. A game was either a scrolling slideshow or? it worked. People did not continually run benchmarks or count their FPS levels. Nor did they then go and post them on the internet.
Overclocking was not the "sport" it is now. It was a way to get free performance, the Celeron 300A being a prime example of that. Basically you just set the jumpers on the board to clock to a Pentium 2 and you had a chip that cost £80 instead of four times that doing exactly the same things. But at no point were there any scores involved. Those were the days where a speed boost was notable and you could see it just by pressing the power button on your computer.
So was that card good value? not really. Considering you could get a card for £150 that could do exactly what it did it was hardly worth it.
No different to cards now tbh. Taking the 7970 as an example to that. In 99% of situations the 7950 will do everything it can. Hell, even the 7870 could.
I guess you could say that Nvidia invented willy waving.
this is the opposite of todays situation where each increase in price is a diminishing return and the best value cards tend to be the midrange cards which if you get 2 give you more performance for the same cost
Indeed. And it was no different then really and people were far less obsessed with it. Well, all apart from the willy wavers of course.
your entire argument in what you posted was self defeating, and yet now you repost and misquote yourself and me and make out that I was insulting you for pointing that out, when obviously you know full well that that is what you are doing purely to get a response
Bottom line is Andy, you don't know me. So you can hurl around all the accusations you want to, tell me I am wrong, repeat ad nauseum.
As for misquoting? Not really. I posted two links to show that GPUs, high end ones, have pretty much always cost an arm and a leg. At that time I was earning £300 a week which was a lot of money. However, that card (the Geforce 2) cost well in excess of a week's wages. If I were still doing now what I was doing then I'm pretty sure I would be earning at least double that now given twelve years have passed.
and if anyone dares to suggest that the 680 *might* be better value than the 7970 you call them an nvidiot, or for equally flimsy reasons you'll start laying in to AMD if it contradicts what someone else has said
I've just checked back and I've not insulted you, thinly veiled or otherwise, only pointed out how you will happily contradict yourself purely in the interests of getting someone to argue with you pointlessly
If any one suggests that a card that does not exist yet, nor do we have any concrete information on, nor do we know what it will cost is better value than one we have then that's a bit silly isn't it?
Who is arguing with who? so now you think I am arguing with you? are you not capable of having a reasoned discussion then?
YOU were the one to call ME a troll. Then you went on to say that you pretty much had me worked out and I got a nice psychological profile from you that explained what sort of a person I was.
You see, that is where you went wrong. You took something I said personally and you began to make it personal by coming back and calling me a troll.
I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me. I am capable of understanding that. Therefore I am not arguing with you, as you can lead a camel to water but you can't make it drink.
As for "Nvidiots" or what not. I just don't like the dirty tricks being used with Kepler. They are the same dirty tricks used with Fermi.
IE - When websites started posting the reasons that it was late Nvidia decided to try and make it go away. But, that backfired. Because what was being said all turned out to be perfectly true. It was too late, it was too hot and it was, at that time, broken and unfixable. Nvidia decided they didn't want people saying that though, so played the bully.
If, under any circumstances at all you truly believe those benchmarks and figures posted today were not heavily loaded in Nvidia's favour then I truly do feel sorry for you.
I (as you will have noticed) do not feel that way. I feel that Nvidia are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. I also feel that they have managed to get away with rebadging a mid ranged part as a high end one and will now charge a fortune for it. I don't like that very much at all, so I have been vocal about it. That's my opinion. If you don't like it then you should have simply ignored it.
I find 90% of your posts heavily inaccurate (like your claim that 8xFSAA is a blurry mess when it is actually the highest IQ version of AA) and on this thread which is supposed to be about information or speculation on Kepler you keep going off on one at nvidia for things that they haven't even said or done like they owe you personally for something, saying that GTX680 is not going to be faster than 7970 and that it's going to be really expensive you know neither for fact and your insistence on replying to every single other comment so that on some pages it's 50% ALXAndy... i mean are you just trying to get your post count up, or trying to get this thread to 100 pages or... what?
because most of what you keep saying you just keep on saying again and again and yeah I'm bored of reading that so I have put you on ignore, unfortuneately the ignore function doesn't work very well as clearly I've just spotted your 5 year old tantrum at me for pointing that you keep arguing with yourself and anyone who replies to you
Then quite simply if you do not like 90% of what I post then do the grown up thing and simply, you know? don't read it.
A troll, if you will, needs to be fed. So if you see me as a troll then do the grown up thing and simply ignore it yes?
You don't need an ignore function to ignore some one. Not unless you can't help yourself, at which point I think you need to put things into perspective. Not every one is going to agree with you all of the time. Grow a set, work that out and simply ignore what I say.