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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

What NDA is that then? Who do you work for?

The one I am under now? a sales based marketing company in the USA.

Basically they make you sign a NDA before they let you into all their dirty low down marketing tricks.

It's an American company, hence, having worked there for four years and seeing the kinds of stuff they pull you tend to work out the tricks of the trade.

Edit. I no longer work for them but that doesn't matter. It's a 7 year NDA and I signed it in 2006. It's to stop you taking their inside information and either using it against them or telling another company about it.

Americans, they're dead possessive.
 
I know all about NDAs and that has very little relevance to if they let that data leak or not - contrary to what you seem to believe plenty of people do leak information whilest under NDA without permission even tho it is unwise and can lead to legal repercussions.

Then it's stupidity, because as you know the NDA is weighted purely in the company who issues its favour.

Mine? contains stuff you would not believe. Basically if I were to leave their company I wasn't even allowed to work for another company with similar interests for the duration of the NDA. Not that I would, I left because they were rat like scum, but yeah, total control.

Also contained things like "We can terminate your employment with our company at any time and for any reason".

Not a nice company to work for as I found out.
 
to me, this reads that you are suggesting that performance wise there was no advantage to having the 450 dollar card over the 150 dollar card

but the links you posted show that the 450 dollar card was 3 times the price but 5 times the performance and played the latest games at over 100fps which was a massive jump at the time, in fact price/performance that nvidia card is massively better value compare to the voodoo3

At that time it was pretty much a rerun of now. There were plenty of cheaper cards on the market that did the job perfectly well. People did not count FPS then. A game was either a scrolling slideshow or? it worked. People did not continually run benchmarks or count their FPS levels. Nor did they then go and post them on the internet.

Overclocking was not the "sport" it is now. It was a way to get free performance, the Celeron 300A being a prime example of that. Basically you just set the jumpers on the board to clock to a Pentium 2 and you had a chip that cost £80 instead of four times that doing exactly the same things. But at no point were there any scores involved. Those were the days where a speed boost was notable and you could see it just by pressing the power button on your computer.

So was that card good value? not really. Considering you could get a card for £150 that could do exactly what it did it was hardly worth it.

No different to cards now tbh. Taking the 7970 as an example to that. In 99% of situations the 7950 will do everything it can. Hell, even the 7870 could.

I guess you could say that Nvidia invented willy waving.

this is the opposite of todays situation where each increase in price is a diminishing return and the best value cards tend to be the midrange cards which if you get 2 give you more performance for the same cost

Indeed. And it was no different then really and people were far less obsessed with it. Well, all apart from the willy wavers of course.

your entire argument in what you posted was self defeating, and yet now you repost and misquote yourself and me and make out that I was insulting you for pointing that out, when obviously you know full well that that is what you are doing purely to get a response

Bottom line is Andy, you don't know me. So you can hurl around all the accusations you want to, tell me I am wrong, repeat ad nauseum.

As for misquoting? Not really. I posted two links to show that GPUs, high end ones, have pretty much always cost an arm and a leg. At that time I was earning £300 a week which was a lot of money. However, that card (the Geforce 2) cost well in excess of a week's wages. If I were still doing now what I was doing then I'm pretty sure I would be earning at least double that now given twelve years have passed.

and if anyone dares to suggest that the 680 *might* be better value than the 7970 you call them an nvidiot, or for equally flimsy reasons you'll start laying in to AMD if it contradicts what someone else has said
I've just checked back and I've not insulted you, thinly veiled or otherwise, only pointed out how you will happily contradict yourself purely in the interests of getting someone to argue with you pointlessly

If any one suggests that a card that does not exist yet, nor do we have any concrete information on, nor do we know what it will cost is better value than one we have then that's a bit silly isn't it?

Who is arguing with who? so now you think I am arguing with you? are you not capable of having a reasoned discussion then?

YOU were the one to call ME a troll. Then you went on to say that you pretty much had me worked out and I got a nice psychological profile from you that explained what sort of a person I was.

You see, that is where you went wrong. You took something I said personally and you began to make it personal by coming back and calling me a troll.

I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me. I am capable of understanding that. Therefore I am not arguing with you, as you can lead a camel to water but you can't make it drink.

As for "Nvidiots" or what not. I just don't like the dirty tricks being used with Kepler. They are the same dirty tricks used with Fermi.

IE - When websites started posting the reasons that it was late Nvidia decided to try and make it go away. But, that backfired. Because what was being said all turned out to be perfectly true. It was too late, it was too hot and it was, at that time, broken and unfixable. Nvidia decided they didn't want people saying that though, so played the bully.

If, under any circumstances at all you truly believe those benchmarks and figures posted today were not heavily loaded in Nvidia's favour then I truly do feel sorry for you.

I (as you will have noticed) do not feel that way. I feel that Nvidia are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. I also feel that they have managed to get away with rebadging a mid ranged part as a high end one and will now charge a fortune for it. I don't like that very much at all, so I have been vocal about it. That's my opinion. If you don't like it then you should have simply ignored it.

I find 90% of your posts heavily inaccurate (like your claim that 8xFSAA is a blurry mess when it is actually the highest IQ version of AA) and on this thread which is supposed to be about information or speculation on Kepler you keep going off on one at nvidia for things that they haven't even said or done like they owe you personally for something, saying that GTX680 is not going to be faster than 7970 and that it's going to be really expensive you know neither for fact and your insistence on replying to every single other comment so that on some pages it's 50% ALXAndy... i mean are you just trying to get your post count up, or trying to get this thread to 100 pages or... what?
because most of what you keep saying you just keep on saying again and again and yeah I'm bored of reading that so I have put you on ignore, unfortuneately the ignore function doesn't work very well as clearly I've just spotted your 5 year old tantrum at me for pointing that you keep arguing with yourself and anyone who replies to you


Then quite simply if you do not like 90% of what I post then do the grown up thing and simply, you know? don't read it.

A troll, if you will, needs to be fed. So if you see me as a troll then do the grown up thing and simply ignore it yes?

You don't need an ignore function to ignore some one. Not unless you can't help yourself, at which point I think you need to put things into perspective. Not every one is going to agree with you all of the time. Grow a set, work that out and simply ignore what I say.
 
Then it's stupidity, because as you know the NDA is weighted purely in the company who issues its favour.

Mine? contains stuff you would not believe. Basically if I were to leave their company I wasn't even allowed to work for another company with similar interests for the duration of the NDA. Not that I would, I left because they were rat like scum, but yeah, total control.

That's hardly restrictive. Some of the high tech companies (especially US ones (especially San Francisco bay area ones (especially San Jose))) make you sign contracts saying you wouldn't go work for any other company operating in the same space for yearrsss after you leave, etc. So that's not part of an NDA. Certainly not the type your average-joe tech sites have to sign before demos. And just because NDAs are restrictive and info leaks out it doesn't mean the logical conclusion is the company is leaking it. At best it's a hypothesis


Now I know that roughly over half the world's population uses this device:
1) formulate a hypothesis
2) assume the hypothesis as fact
3) then come up with a series of conclusions that are entirely dependent on the original (undemonstrated) hypothesis

... but inmy experience the ones who do that are all women.


Also contained things like "We can terminate your employment with our company at any time and for any reason".

Not a nice company to work for as I found out.

If you signed that then you let them **** you. You should've told them to at least let you go put some make up on because you like to look pretty when you're ******.
 
Really?? That seems a bit like a human rights infringement surely?

No, that's how they play ball in America.

If you watch American Chopper then you would know. One of the guys that used to work for Paul Sr left the company (he was fired) and decided to go and work for Paul Jr.

That was against the contract he had signed (IE to work for a competitor) so Paul Sr slapped him with a lawsuit.

Thankfully he saw sense and called off the hounds, but trust me, it's another reason why you should be thankful you live in the UK.
 
That's hardly restrictive. Some of the high tech companies (especially US ones (especially San Francisco bay area ones (especially San Jose)) make you sign contracts saying you wouldn't go work for any other company operating in the same space for yearrsss after you leave, etc. So that's not part of an NDA. Certainly not the type tech companies have to sign before demos. And just because NDAs are restrictive and info leaks out it doesn't mean the logical conclusion is the company is leaking it. At best it's a hypothesis


Now I know that roughly over half the world's population uses this device:
1) formulate a hypothesis
2) assume the hypothesis as fact
3) then come up with a series of conclusions that are entirely dependent on the original (undemonstrated) hypothesis

... but inmy experience the ones who do that are all women.




If you signed that then you let them **** you. You should've told them to at least let you go put some make up on because you like to look pretty when you're ******.

The NDA was a part of the contract of course.

Like the Cartman bit at the end :D another fantastic episode. Alas, when you need work you tend to agree to things you really shouldn't. I guess you just hope for the best and hope it doesn't go sour.
 
Wow 1.7 FPS.

Man Kepler is underwhelming :D

haha sorry, couldn't resist.
Certainly underwhelming @ ~£400, but for a part originally designed to sell @ ~£250 that performance is monsterous.

It is just a shame that NVidia may end up pricing their "7870 production equivelent" part within the "7970 performance" ballpark. Is it well done to NVidia for producing such a fast mainstream card, ot hard luck on AMD for making a top-end card that merely competes with NVidia's mainstream? For me, all of the recent GK104 (should be called a GTX660, not 680) leaks have been mightily impressive. The underwhelming part may well be the price and the name tag.
 
That and the low salaries... Really low, in comparison.

Salaries? ah, you mean the "We pay you for 40 hours a week and you'll be working closer to 70?"

Been there, seen it, got the Tshirt mate.

Honestly, they are animals. Absolute animals. My ex wife worked for a similar company (she found me the job I did) and she was literally owned, lock stock and barrel by that company. If she wasn't at work? she was working at home. If she wasn't working at home she had them on the phone.

This is what gets my goat when people say American people are lazy. There's a reason everything, even banks are drive through. Because the poor sods don't get enough time to get out and walk into a bank.
 
Bottom line is Andy, you don't know me. So you can hurl around all the accusations you want to, tell me I am wrong, repeat ad nauseum.

As for misquoting? Not really. I posted two links to show that GPUs, high end ones, have pretty much always cost an arm and a leg. At that time I was earning £300 a week which was a lot of money. However, that card (the Geforce 2) cost well in excess of a week's wages. If I were still doing now what I was doing then I'm pretty sure I would be earning at least double that now given twelve years have passed.



If any one suggests that a card that does not exist yet, nor do we have any concrete information on, nor do we know what it will cost is better value than one we have then that's a bit silly isn't it?

Who is arguing with who? so now you think I am arguing with you? are you not capable of having a reasoned discussion then?

YOU were the one to call ME a troll. Then you went on to say that you pretty much had me worked out and I got a nice psychological profile from you that explained what sort of a person I was.

You see, that is where you went wrong. You took something I said personally and you began to make it personal by coming back and calling me a troll.

I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me. I am capable of understanding that. Therefore I am not arguing with you, as you can lead a camel to water but you can't make it drink.

As for "Nvidiots" or what not. I just don't like the dirty tricks being used with Kepler. They are the same dirty tricks used with Fermi.

IE - When websites started posting the reasons that it was late Nvidia decided to try and make it go away. But, that backfired. Because what was being said all turned out to be perfectly true. It was too late, it was too hot and it was, at that time, broken and unfixable. Nvidia decided they didn't want people saying that though, so played the bully.

If, under any circumstances at all you truly believe those benchmarks and figures posted today were not heavily loaded in Nvidia's favour then I truly do feel sorry for you.

I (as you will have noticed) do not feel that way. I feel that Nvidia are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. I also feel that they have managed to get away with rebadging a mid ranged part as a high end one and will now charge a fortune for it. I don't like that very much at all, so I have been vocal about it. That's my opinion. If you don't like it then you should have simply ignored it.




Then quite simply if you do not like 90% of what I post then do the grown up thing and simply, you know? don't read it.

A troll, if you will, needs to be fed. So if you see me as a troll then do the grown up thing and simply ignore it yes?

You don't need an ignore function to ignore some one. Not unless you can't help yourself, at which point I think you need to put things into perspective. Not every one is going to agree with you all of the time. Grow a set, work that out and simply ignore what I say.

+1
Very good reply.
 
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Salaries? ah, you mean the "We pay you for 40 hours a week and you'll be working closer to 70?"

Been there, seen it, got the Tshirt mate.

Honestly, they are animals. Absolute animals. My ex wife worked for a similar company (she found me the job I did) and she was literally owned, lock stock and barrel by that company. If she wasn't at work? she was working at home. If she wasn't working at home she had them on the phone.

This is what gets my goat when people say American people are lazy. There's a reason everything, even banks are drive through. Because the poor sods don't get enough time to get out and walk into a bank.

That's true. Americans are certainly not lazy. Here 40 hours usually means 37 while there it means 12 hours a day, and get your ass into work on the weekend sometimes, just because... But that said, for the same job I'd get paid 4x or more in the US.
 
That's true. Americans are certainly not lazy. Here 40 hours usually means 37 while there it means 12 hours a day, and get your ass into work on the weekend sometimes, just because... But that said, for the same job I'd get paid 4x or more in the US.

Standard protocol for holiday time.

First year - nothing.
After two years? - one week off paid.
After three years? - two weeks off paid.

It caps at three weeks after 5 years IIRC.

They also use dirty underhand tricks. If you work for 40 hours a week in the USA then by law the company you work for must offer you discounted health benefits. So what do they do? hire two people to work 35 hours a week so they don't have to offer you squat.

As I said, they're a bunch of nasty capitalists who treat human beings like slaves.
 
Standard protocol for holiday time.

First year - nothing.
After two years? - one week off paid.
After three years? - two weeks off paid.

It caps at three weeks after 5 years IIRC.

They also use dirty underhand tricks. If you work for 40 hours a week in the USA then by law the company you work for must offer you discounted health benefits. So what do they do? hire two people to work 35 hours a week so they don't have to offer you squat.

As I said, they're a bunch of nasty capitalists who treat human beings like slaves.

My uncle who lives in newyork told me that it has become american way of life to just work continuously like animals. He even told me an amazing thing that americans especially those workaholics type consider sleep to be just a body need. Nothing more. They are just so into making money that they consider everything else secondary. I was gobsmacked.

Personally I detest this kind of lifestyle. A man must be able to enjoy natural healthy quality life with his family and have freedom to concentrate on other leisure activities.
 
The one I am under now? a sales based marketing company in the USA.

Basically they make you sign a NDA before they let you into all their dirty low down marketing tricks.

It's an American company, hence, having worked there for four years and seeing the kinds of stuff they pull you tend to work out the tricks of the trade.

Edit. I no longer work for them but that doesn't matter. It's a 7 year NDA and I signed it in 2006. It's to stop you taking their inside information and either using it against them or telling another company about it.

Americans, they're dead possessive.

So, if you no longer work there from whom did you get your Nvidia NDA confined information regarding this launch?:confused: The NDA is specific to the upcoming launch and, obviously, will be lifted on launch day.

By the way:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/member.php?u=47797;)
 
So, if you no longer work there from whom did you get your Nvidia NDA confined information regarding this launch?:confused: The NDA is specific to the upcoming launch and, obviously, will be lifted on launch day.

By the way:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/member.php?u=47797;)

So from what you say the NDA will be lifted on launch day. That makes a lot of sense. What doesn't is that benchmarks and photographs have been released.

Yet, Gibbo (who has obviously had to sign a NDA with Nvidia) is unable to do any of that because, according to him it would breach his NDA.

Are the ones Nvidia use different in China then?
 
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