The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

[xsistor]

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/2...://trust.overclockers.co.uk/index.php?u=98526

 

[ALXAndy]

Yet Gibbo says he is getting plenty

 

[Gregster]

My uncle who lives in newyork told me that it has become american way of life to just work continuously like animals. He even told me an amazing thing that americans especially those workaholics type consider sleep to be just a body need. Nothing more. They are just so into making money that they consider everything else secondary. I was gobsmacked.

Personally I detest this kind of lifestyle. A man must be able to enjoy natural healthy quality life with his family and have freedom to concentrate on other leisure activities.

Work to live. Not Live to work.

 

[andybird123]

At that time it was pretty much a rerun of now. There were plenty of cheaper cards on the market that did the job perfectly well. People did not count FPS then. A game was either a scrolling slideshow or? it worked. People did not continually run benchmarks or count their FPS levels. Nor did they then go and post them on the internet.

So was that card good value? not really. Considering you could get a card for £150 that could do exactly what it did it was hardly worth it.

so why do the links you've linked to show FPS in specific games? FPS was widely used to compare graphics cards, even then - again, you clearly haven't read either your own links or my response to them because the voodoo3 ran quake III at 19FPS and the Nvidia card at the same resolution was 100FPS and could run much higher resolutions (which is even what the conclusion of the article you linked to said - that it was a great card enabling higher resolutions that other cards couldn't play)

Bottom line is Andy, you don't know me. So you can hurl around all the accusations you want to, tell me I am wrong, repeat ad nauseum.

aaah, the "you don't know me" defense, usually only gets wheeled out when comments too close to home get mentioned

If any one suggests that a card that does not exist yet, nor do we have any concrete information on, nor do we know what it will cost is better value than one we have then that's a bit silly isn't it?

that isn't what you are doing though, what you are doing is telling everyone that posts any information that they *hope* means 680 is as good as 7970 that it's biased and false and that you know that 680 will be rubbish and overpriced

Who is arguing with who? so now you think I am arguing with you? are you not capable of having a reasoned discussion then?

I'm not arguing with you, but you are attributing things to me that I never said and then arguing with those misquotes, so basically you are arguing with yourself which is quite a trick

YOU were the one to call ME a troll. Then you went on to say that you pretty much had me worked out and I got a nice psychological profile from you that explained what sort of a person I was.

I'm not sure 3 words constitutes a psychological profile, and in fact it was a deliberate over dramatisation that I'm sure everyone knew was only there to give comparison to the truth which is your obsessive need to reply to every post on this thread

You see, that is where you went wrong. You took something I said personally and you began to make it personal by coming back and calling me a troll.

I'm sorry if you find the term troll offensive. In this context I simply mean that the primary purpose of most of your posts is not to express an opinion or inform but instead to illicit a response from others that you can further respond to. I come to this conclusion due to the fact that you seem willing to rapidly change your opinion so that it remains diametrically opposite to whoever is responding to you.

I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me. I am capable of understanding that. Therefore I am not arguing with you, as you can lead a camel to water but you can't make it drink.

I only don't agree with you because most of what you say is either regurgitated nonsense from elsewhere on the web or you've specifically stated something diametrically opposite from what I've said purely to illicit a response from me on that subject.

As for "Nvidiots" or what not. I just don't like the dirty tricks being used with Kepler. They are the same dirty tricks used with Fermi.

kepler isn't fermi, kepler isn't late and because no information was released by nvidia until recently you have no way of saying that GK104 was never intended to be 680 and GK110 wasn't supposed to be 780

in fact the earliest slides, that may or may not be real said that 780(which we assume now will be GK110) would be double the performance of GTX580... so who's not to say that this was always the intention

If, under any circumstances at all you truly believe those benchmarks and figures posted today were not heavily loaded in Nvidia's favour then I truly do feel sorry for you.

I don't care either way if they were or weren't, I don't know if they were even genuine / accurate, as I've already said many times my most likely path will be GTX580 SLI / tri-SLI and skipping kepler altogether until DX12 GPU's come out

I (as you will have noticed) do not feel that way. I feel that Nvidia are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. I also feel that they have managed to get away with rebadging a mid ranged part as a high end one and will now charge a fortune for it. I don't like that very much at all, so I have been vocal about it. That's my opinion. If you don't like it then you should have simply ignored it.

again, you have no way of knowing that and no reason to care, you already have a 7970 so you are extremely unlikely to be buying kepler anyway, that you seem to get so worked up about what nvidia do is simply hilarious

you've been very vocal for an extremely long time and as you've probably seen on the last couple of pages a lot of people are getting tired of it and really want they want to read on this thread is *if* there is any information on kepler, not your personal thoughts on employment in the US or why you hate Nvidia / AMD / [insert todays controversial topic you hope will draw someone in to a pointless argument that you know nothing about]

 

[WingZero30]

Work to live. Not Live to work.

Oh I agree. Perfectly put.

On the topic, is it only GTX 680 which is being released on 23 March?

 

[Jakus]

Been out of the loop for a couple of days and just read about 15 pages...Wow !, It nearly wore me out !

@ALXAndy , Take it easy old son, It's only a GFX card and there will be a better one in 6 months or so, and so on etc.. Marketing, devious tricks, accidental leaks have all been part of the game since the game started and most reviewers are bought and paid in one way or another.

So it's looking like this card is about 7970 performance and price then, I don't think any of us would think it could be +40% over ATI's 28nm part really !

I feel it will be a little short sighted if Nvidia prices it the same as ATI because I've always thought that was what held back sales of the ATI card, Sure Nvidia has a pretty loyal following but I would be looking at ATI's sales performance with the 6900 series because people thought it a real bang for the buck bargain.
The way I see it is, unlike other times, everything is pretty much playable with a £200 card so I think all these high end cards will be a pretty hard sell.

Look forward to some real performance numbers and prices and like most, would appreciate being pleasantly surprised

 

[Gregster]

Double post sorry.

 

[Gregster]

Oh I agree. Perfectly put.

On the topic, is it only GTX 680 which is being released on 23 March?

Yep.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It seems Nvidia surround boosts the framerates for the central monitor,and reduces the framerates to the periphery monitors. Supposedly the explanation is because peripheral vision is worse and it won't be noticed.

 

[xsistor]

That's clever if there is an option to turn it off

 

[AndyOcUK]

So from what you say the NDA will be lifted on launch day. That makes a lot of sense. What doesn't is that benchmarks and photographs have been released.

Yet, Gibbo (who has obviously had to sign a NDA with Nvidia) is unable to do any of that because, according to him it would breach his NDA.

Are the ones Nvidia use different in China then?

Of course the NDA will be lifted on launch day. If the card has launched to the public (ie LAUNCHED and free for anyone to buy/ review/ advertise)...OF COURSE the information on the card will be in the public domain And of course Gibbo giving information early would breach the NDA. For someone who professess to have "7 years experience" with NDA's.....you don't seem to actually know very much about them do you?

The NDA is worldwide until worldwide launch day. Stuff always leaks.

so why do the links you've linked to show FPS in specific games? FPS was widely used to compare graphics cards, even then - again, you clearly haven't read either your own links or my response to them because the voodoo3 ran quake III at 19FPS and the Nvidia card at the same resolution was 100FPS and could run much higher resolutions (which is even what the conclusion of the article you linked to said - that it was a great card enabling higher resolutions that other cards couldn't play)


aaah, the "you don't know me" defense, usually only gets wheeled out when comments too close to home get mentioned



that isn't what you are doing though, what you are doing is telling everyone that posts any information that they *hope* means 680 is as good as 7970 that it's biased and false and that you know that 680 will be rubbish and overpriced



I'm not arguing with you, but you are attributing things to me that I never said and then arguing with those misquotes, so basically you are arguing with yourself which is quite a trick


I'm not sure 3 words constitutes a psychological profile, and in fact it was a deliberate over dramatisation that I'm sure everyone knew was only there to give comparison to the truth which is your obsessive need to reply to every post on this thread


I'm sorry if you find the term troll offensive. In this context I simply mean that the primary purpose of most of your posts is not to express an opinion or inform but instead to illicit a response from others that you can further respond to. I come to this conclusion due to the fact that you seem willing to rapidly change your opinion so that it remains diametrically opposite to whoever is responding to you.


I only don't agree with you because most of what you say is either regurgitated nonsense from elsewhere on the web or you've specifically stated something diametrically opposite from what I've said purely to illicit a response from me on that subject.


kepler isn't fermi, kepler isn't late and because no information was released by nvidia until recently you have no way of saying that GK104 was never intended to be 680 and GK110 wasn't supposed to be 780

in fact the earliest slides, that may or may not be real said that 780(which we assume now will be GK110) would be double the performance of GTX580... so who's not to say that this was always the intention



I don't care either way if they were or weren't, I don't know if they were even genuine / accurate, as I've already said many times my most likely path will be GTX580 SLI / tri-SLI and skipping kepler altogether until DX12 GPU's come out



again, you have no way of knowing that and no reason to care, you already have a 7970 so you are extremely unlikely to be buying kepler anyway, that you seem to get so worked up about what nvidia do is simply hilarious

you've been very vocal for an extremely long time and as you've probably seen on the last couple of pages a lot of people are getting tired of it and really want they want to read on this thread is *if* there is any information on kepler, not your personal thoughts on employment in the US or why you hate Nvidia / AMD / [insert todays controversial topic you hope will draw someone in to a pointless argument that you know nothing about]

This

Also, you never answered my question......who from Nvidia gave you the information that you signed an NDA for? Or are you just spouting about a completely different and irrelevant NDA in an attempt to elevate your perceived standing on here? I actually am under NDA on this and could sum the All the specs and info up in20 sentences. You seem to have taken up most of a thread with your waffle based solely on guesswork and personal opinion. Even if you did have actual facts, you couldn't share yet anyway due to the NDA.

 

[Rroff]

It seems Nvidia surround boosts the framerates for the central monitor,and reduces the framerates to the periphery monitors. Supposedly the explanation is because peripheral vision is worse and it won't be noticed.

Peripheral vision is usually the most sensitive to quick changes, etc. (throw over from the days of the primitive hunter/hunted thing) however it does make sense that as the player is focusing on the main screen if done properly reducing extra rendering time spent on ancillary monitors when not required could be used to boost framerates where it does matter aslong as you don't end up with a scenario where the de-sync between the monitors is noticeable.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TPU has details:

http://www.techpowerup.com/162504/N...-Sync-and-New-3DVision-Surround-Detailed.html

As xsistor mentioned hopefully it can be switched off,as I think it might not be OK for all games. Certainly for driving games it does seem quite useful.

It will be interesting how websites like HardOCP will test this, as the latter do tend to also test games with multi-monitor setups frequently.

 

[555BUK]

The way I see it is, unlike other times, everything is pretty much playable with a £200 card so I think all these high end cards will be a pretty hard sell.

This is very true. In the past you needed top end cards to play the most recent games at reasonable settings, but 6950's and GTX560TI's etc offer high end performance @ 1200P for less than £200. Justifying twice the money for performance which will remain unnoticed within most games will be hard for many people. £400 is very hard to justify unless the card is clearly faster than everything else (which it will not be), and most people prepared to spend this sum of money will know the GK104 is not even the top Kepler.

 

[xsistor]

TPU has details:

http://www.techpowerup.com/162504/N...-Sync-and-New-3DVision-Surround-Detailed.html

As xsistor mentioned hopefully it can be switched off,as I think it might not be OK for all games. Certainly for driving games it does seem quite useful.

It will be interesting how websites like HardOCP will test this, as the latter do tend to also test games with multi-monitor setups frequently.

Wow, so adaptive VSync works with 3D Vision. I was planning to hold off for the bigger kepler but now I'm tempted

 

[WingZero30]

battle of andys

andyocuk, alxandy & andybird123

 

[xsistor]

battle of andys

andyocuk, alxandy & andybird123

 

[ALXAndy]

so why do the links you've linked to show FPS in specific games? FPS was widely used to compare graphics cards, even then - again, you clearly haven't read either your own links or my response to them because the voodoo3 ran quake III at 19FPS and the Nvidia card at the same resolution was 100FPS and could run much higher resolutions (which is even what the conclusion of the article you linked to said - that it was a great card enabling higher resolutions that other cards couldn't play)

Oh for god's sake. Firstly the Voodoo 3 3000 was an old card by the time the GFII Ultra came along.

Over and over again you seem to be banging on about something completely unrelated to what I said. So, once again, for the last time I will spell it out for you.

I posted that link to show that GPU prices have been high for 12 years. That an Nvidia card released twelve years ago cost $430 or whatever it was, and in the UK they sold for £400. Thus, it was nothing new.

Come to think of it I didn't even post that to you, I posted it to some one else. Yet, you seemed to want to dive in and pick the peanuts out of the poo and go on and on and on about how that card was worth the money.

I really, truly couldn't give a rat's penis if it was worth it, or whether you balance a pineapple on your head. I simply posted those links to show that expensive GPUs were nothing new. Before that I pointed out that the 8800 Ultra cost in excess of £500. Nowhere did I mention whether it was worth it, nowhere did I say it was a slow card, nowhere did I say it didn't wipe the floor with its ATI counterpart.

It was quite simply a case of me showing that in 2000 Nvidia released a card that cost $430.

OK? happy with that? good.

aaah, the "you don't know me" defense, usually only gets wheeled out when comments too close to home get mentioned

You are wrong. Super man can beat up batman in a fight. Am I doing it right?

that isn't what you are doing though, what you are doing is telling everyone that posts any information that they *hope* means 680 is as good as 7970 that it's biased and false and that you know that 680 will be rubbish and overpriced

Look. Stop right there. Stop insinuating that you know what I am doing and then putting words into my mouth by making assumptions.

1. Nowhere have I said that the card won't be as good as a 7970. I completely believe those benchmarks to be accurate and true. OK?

2. Nowhere did I say the 680 would be rubbish and overpriced. OK?

Right, now we have covered that I will again point out to you that I just see those benchmarks to be biased and unfair. And they are, because if we paid attention to the guy whose friend actually has one in his possession we already know that it will basically be around level with a 7970. That makes it worth £400. Infact, scour over the thread and you will see me clearly say that it makes it worth IMO £450. OK? I think it is worth that because it carries CUDA and Physx so any one out there who really needs that and can't buy a Radeon because of that (folding proteins for example) will finally have a card from Nvidia that is worth a purchase for £450. Unlike the 580 which is now old and completely inferior to the 7970.

OK? now have you read all of that properly? good.

I'm not arguing with you, but you are attributing things to me that I never said and then arguing with those misquotes, so basically you are arguing with yourself which is quite a trick

You are arguing with me. You have said I am on the defence. That means you are on the attack, yes? so you are arguing with me. The very fact you seem unable and incapable of just leaving it and getting over it says otherwise.

I am on the defence because YOU are on the attack. You continually keep replying to my posts and at times totally taking them out of the context they were written in I.E -

Telling me about FPS and how that $430 from twelve years ago was the deal of the century because it could do 110FPS in Quake 3 when ALL I POSTED THOSE LINKS FOR WAS TO SHOW PRICES. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything else you have simply manufactured and added in yourself, creating an argument that was completely stupid.

OK? Your first post addressed to me was arguing with me over the FPS that $430 card could produce when I clearly didn't care about that as it had no bearing on why I posted those links. I posted those links to show price, not to get into the details.

I'm not sure 3 words constitutes a psychological profile, and in fact it was a deliberate over dramatisation that I'm sure everyone knew was only there to give comparison to the truth which is your obsessive need to reply to every post on this thread

So now I have an obsessive need to reply to every post on this thread?

Here we go again But you're not arguing with me are you, no.

I'm sorry if you find the term troll offensive. In this context I simply mean that the primary purpose of most of your posts is not to express an opinion or inform but instead to illicit a response from others that you can further respond to. I come to this conclusion due to the fact that you seem willing to rapidly change your opinion so that it remains diametrically opposite to whoever is responding to you.

I don't find the term troll offensive. I find it pathetic. I find it absolutely pathetic that another human being becomes so annoyed at another one that he has to start the name calling. OK? And I haven't changed my opinion at all. I have maintained the same opinion since yesterday A.M when those benchmarks were posted. You just think I am changing my opinion.

I only don't agree with you because most of what you say is either regurgitated nonsense from elsewhere on the web or you've specifically stated something diametrically opposite from what I've said purely to illicit a response from me on that subject.

Do you know what is so funny here? you find what I say nonsense yet you are incapable of ignoring it. Now I am typing and saying things in the hope that I get a rise from you

Get over yourself will you.

kepler isn't fermi, kepler isn't late and because no information was released by nvidia until recently you have no way of saying that GK104 was never intended to be 680 and GK110 wasn't supposed to be 780

I didn't say Kepler was Fermi.

in fact the earliest slides, that may or may not be real said that 780(which we assume now will be GK110) would be double the performance of GTX580... so who's not to say that this was always the intention

Who knows? I'm sure one day we will find out.

I don't care either way if they were or weren't, I don't know if they were even genuine / accurate, as I've already said many times my most likely path will be GTX580 SLI / tri-SLI and skipping kepler altogether until DX12 GPU's come out

Well I imagine them to be accurate. I just also see them as completely loaded and weighted. Which was why I took issue with them in the first place.

again, you have no way of knowing that and no reason to care, you already have a 7970 so you are extremely unlikely to be buying kepler anyway, that you seem to get so worked up about what nvidia do is simply hilarious

So according to you just because I have now made a decision and made my purchase that I shouldn't be completely interested in anything else? I should be happy and content and not bother discussing PC hardware until I need to buy another upgrade?

I find it all terribly interesting. You know? a hobby. Therefore I feel I should be allowed to discuss upcoming hardware and be excited, happy, unhappy or angry that I feel a company is bending the truth.

you've been very vocal for an extremely long time and as you've probably seen on the last couple of pages a lot of people are getting tired of it and really want they want to read on this thread is *if* there is any information on kepler, not your personal thoughts on employment in the US or why you hate Nvidia / AMD / [insert todays controversial topic you hope will draw someone in to a pointless argument that you know nothing about]

TBH? I couldn't care less if people are getting tired of it. They don't have to read it. And if they find themselves getting annoyed and upset about what some one says on the internet then they truly need a talking to.

I've seen as many people come out and agree with me and say so, yet I don't feel the need like, you know? bring that up and gloat about it as you seem to.

As of now Andy? I can see we are getting nowhere. So go ahead and type up a nice long reply to this post and continue banging your head on a brick wall, because I am going to now demonstrate the fine art of ignoring some one like a mature adult does.

Tada.

 

[Rroff]

TPU has details:

http://www.techpowerup.com/162504/N...-Sync-and-New-3DVision-Surround-Detailed.html

As xsistor mentioned hopefully it can be switched off,as I think it might not be OK for all games. Certainly for driving games it does seem quite useful.

It will be interesting how websites like HardOCP will test this, as the latter do tend to also test games with multi-monitor setups frequently.

Interestingly it seems to possibly hint that it can work in a mode whereby clock boosting the GPU when rendering the main display if needed and reducing clock but time limiting the side displays so as not to impact overall performance so you end up with less power/heat required but also higher framerates where needed most in theory, how well it would actually work is another matter.

 

[AndyOcUK]

battle of andys

andyocuk, alxandy & andybird123

LOL. I think on this topic, I would be the safest bet for the win (see profile)