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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

N19h7m4r3 said:
It was also because they couldn't compete in the high-end like they use to.

The 7970 is a good card, but it is very expensive at the moment.

We'll have to see what happens with prices when Kepler is released though.
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I am pretty sure amd could build a gpu as fast as nvidia if they chose to build a gpu the same size as nvidias. A northern islands gpu around the same size as a gtx580 would most likely be hugely fast. Amd would most likely have all the issues that nvidia have had over the last few years though. Unfortunately for amd theres more nvidiots in the world than there is amdots so they cant just put out any old rubbish or delay to long as they would lose to much money.
 
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I really want to upgrade but the 79xx series is hugely overpriced and nVidia doesn't have anything to compete. The last I heard the 7990 should be released this month, which may offer decent value if it's much cheaper than two 7950s... but I'm not hugely optimistic. I'm really waiting on nVidia to release, as they'll either offer much better performance or seek to undercut AMD.

I'm a bit stuck, as a 7970 isn't a huge leap from the 5970 I've got - VRAM and compute limitations aside - but I just can't afford two of them. The 7950 is an attractive card but really needs to be £275 for me to justify a Crossfire setup.
 
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I would wait a month, & see what develops with Kepler if it appears, & what other cards AMD release to counter it,if necessary.
There must be a revision of the 7970 soon, plus more custom cards from other makers, Asus, Gigabyte, etc.
 
TAC4U said:
I really want to upgrade but the 79xx series is hugely overpriced and nVidia doesn't have anything to compete. The last I heard the 7990 should be released this month, which may offer decent value if it's much cheaper than two 7950s... but I'm not hugely optimistic. I'm really waiting on nVidia to release, as they'll either offer much better performance or seek to undercut AMD.

I'm a bit stuck, as a 7970 it's a huge leap from the 5970 I've got - VRAM and compute limitations aside - but I just can't afford two of them. The 7950 is an attractive card but really needs to be £275 for me to justify a Crossfire setup.
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Exactly the same position i'm in...
 
TheRealDeal said:
I am pretty sure amd could build a gpu as fast as nvidia if they chose to build a gpu the same size as nvidias. A northern islands gpu around the same size as a gtx580 would most likely be hugely fast. Amd would most likely have all the issues that nvidia have had over the last few years though. Unfortunately for amd theres more nvidiots in the world than there is amdots so they cant just put out any old rubbish or delay to long as they would lose to much money.
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Um..are you calling anyone that buys an nvidia high-end card an idiot?

Also if AMD could have competed like that and made a profit, they would have.
They attmepted to do that with the X2 cards. Yet only now, since the 5870 managed to bring out a top end single gpu that's better than the previous gen. Unlike with the 5870 though they drastically upped the price.

I myself owned a 2900GT Xfire, 3870 and 4870X2, yet I buy what's best for me at the time.

The most expensive card I ever bought was the 8800GTX and it was a brilliant card that easily deserved it's price tag considering it's performance.

Since I'm now running at a res that needs a good high-end card I'll be buying one. As such I'll be waiting for Kepler before deciding.

I can honestly say though, if the 7970 was a monster gpu ( aka 9700pro/8800GTX) I would have bought it already.
Until Kepler is out I'll be sitting with my poor old GTX 470 that's dying it seems.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Um..are you calling anyone that buys an nvidia high-end card an idiot?

Also if AMD could have competed like that and made a profit, they would have.
They attmepted to do that with the X2 cards. Yet only now, since the 5870 managed to bring out a top end single gpu that's better than the previous gen. Unlike with the 5870 though they drastically upped the price.

I myself owned a 2900GT Xfire, 3870 and 4870X2, yet I buy what's best for me at the time.

The most expensive card I ever bought was the 8800GTX and it was a brilliant card that easily deserved it's price tag considering it's performance.

Since I'm now running at a res that needs a good high-end card I'll be buying one. As such I'll be waiting for Kepler before deciding.

I can honestly say though, if the 7970 was a monster gpu ( aka 9700pro/8800GTX) I would have bought it already.
Until Kepler is out I'll be sitting with my poor old GTX 470 that's dying it seems.
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Off course i am not saying that lol. I am saying if amd built a top end card that was say 3-5% better than nvidias top end card the nv fans would still buy a nv card. Amd need to compete on price/performance as unless there cards are much faster than nv's people usually buy nv as they have the bigger graphics card fanbase. Nvidia can do what they are doing as they really dont need to worry about being faster.

You only need to look at people moaning about the 7970 price. If the 7970 was called gtx680 and made by nvidia there would not be as much complaining. Amd needed a smarter business plan and i believe to an extent its working.
 
amigafan2003 said:
So, £300 plus 2 years of 5% inflation = £360. Plus 5% VAT increase = £378. 18% softening of the £ against the dollar = £446.

Not so different in real terms is it?
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Using the highest inflation you can get to 5%, official figures now use CPI which is 4% over the period, USD rate now is 1.58, was 1.63 in Sep 2009 so that's just over 3% not 18%!
 
amigafan2003 said:
So, £300 plus 2 years of 5% inflation = £360. Plus 5% VAT increase = £378. 18% softening of the £ against the dollar = £446.

Not so different in real terms is it?
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That doesn't look right to me.

£300 plus 2 years inflation at 5% isn't £360.

I'm sure there are variations depending on the source of information but September 2009 £1 = $1.6327 and currently £1 = $1.5797.

I'll have a go.

£300 = £260.87 excluding VAT at 15%.

Adjust for RPI September 2009 to January 2012:

£260.87 * (238.0/215.3) = £288.37

Adjust for exchange rate:

£288.37 * (1.6327/1.5787) = £298.23

Add the current rate of VAT:

£298.23 +20% = £357.88
 
When the 5870's came out wasnt there a shortage? Stock sold out as soon as it arrived. Why wouldnt AMD increase the price as demand outstripped supply?

And where is the commpetition? ffs
 
w1lliam said:
When the 5870's came out wasnt there a shortage? Stock sold out as soon as it arrived. Why wouldnt AMD increase the price as demand outstripped supply?

And where is the commpetition? ffs
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I have a feeling that was deliberate. They wanted to test Nvidia to see what they would do in response.

When the answer was nothing the cards mysteriously came back, only more expensive.
 
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