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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

Insanties_birth said:
I don't know, some people have watercooled or 12 fan cases but not all of us care to bother with that crap or have the money but still want a good card. I don't want some loud, hot, expensive card that costs more and is barely better than the others. It's a balancing act, do I want to throw my money away or do I go for price / performance. Generally I go for p / p so I'd have not bought a 480 even if it was the fastest. I have a GTX 460 so I'm not against Nvidia but before the 460 and the 5xx series those cards were to be avoided for most people.
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There's no denying that the 480 wasn't an epic failure when it launched. It was.

Many had already bought the 5000 series because they were fast and they were sick of waiting, but even a good chunk of people who held out simply laughed and then went and bought a 5000 series card.

They simply didn't sell well. They had too many bad points, the only good one was that they were faster.

However, I still maintain they weren't terrible cards. Back then airflow and cable management were just starting to become a standard, and many people put them in cases they really ought not to have been in. It still happens today. People bending or cutting their cases to get a card in that really should not be in there.

I will say though that since cooling has become more important and good cases have been sold the 480 is far from untameable now. I know a good few who bought them at £199 or so last year and have had no significant problems.
 
555BUK said:
VRAM wouldn't explain why the 1GB GTX560's and 6870's are also as fast/faster than the 5870. The main difference is shader power, and that's why AMD beefed up the 6900's in this area. You could argue that the GTX480 was 6 months ahead of the 6970.
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You really can't argue that at all, because the GTX480 taped out not long after the 5870, took 3 very expensive respins and a lot of dumped wafers to make it. It simply cost Nvidia massively more to get onto the market than AMD making its cost to produce massively higher, you also manage to frequently fail to mention that the 480gtx was MUCH bigger and had many more transistors while failing to match that with performance.

The 480gtx was almost 60% bigger, 334mm2 vs 529mm2, while offering really being generous, 20% more performance. The core COST NVIDIA well over that to produce, because of terrible yields cost for a 5870 core to AMD vs a 480GTX core for Nvidia meant AMD was making HUGELY HIGHER profits ona £300 5870 than Nvidia was making on £450 480gtx's.

Yields, respins, cost, lack of profit, power usage and competing in performance with a card massively smaller than itself all meant it was almost entirely an utter failure.

A GK104 circa 340mm2 card competing with a circa 360mm2 card is EXPECTED, a 530mm2 card competing with a 334mm2 card is an abysmal failure. Being anything less than 50% faster was an abject failure, and the 580gtx continued to be significantly worse, competing with what now seems an even bigger core and still failing to beat a 6970 significantly.

5870 £300, out for 6 months, selling like hotcakes, making much higher profits and getting within 15% performance in the vast majority of games of a card that came, 6 months later, used a LOT more than 15% more power, was circa 60% bigger and cost several times as much to make?


Also STOP USING TECHPOWERUP, their round ups are mocked mercilessly around the globe on all forums except, you know, by Nvidia users desperate to make a daft nonsensical point from a bias round up.

They are a joke.
 
I wish I knew what Tahiti had cost AMD in relation to Kepler tbh.

Maybe Nvidia were not lucky at all, and maybe Kepler has cost them.

Totally agree with DM above ^ I know that Fermi was incredibly expensive to produce and research.

It may even be AMD who were the lucky ones tbh. They certainly lucked out with the 5000 series as I certainly remember reading how much cheaper it was to develop than Fermi.

They may have lucked out again with Tahiti, and Kepler may have cost far more to make (hence how the 104 may do what is suggested against Tahiti).

Ugh. Roll on the 17th. I thought it was today they were going to press :(
 
Ok so I'm presuming from the 58xx, 480 & the Kepler 22b 600 light years away discussion that there haven't as yet been any further GK104 680/670ti info leaks yet....
 
Last thing I read said NVIDIA were going to officially announce on the 23rd but for reasons to do with the NDA they expected some unofficial leaks today.

What's going on with the 17th now, haven't heard of that date been thrown into the mix until now.
 
PGdude said:
> Thread about Kepler
> All I see is Fermi

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Kepler 22b - the 'new Earth' - could have oceans and continents, scientists claim

Kepler 22b, the planet which scientists say hold the best hope yet for future human habitation, could have continents, oceans and creatures already living on its surface, they believe.
 
ALXAndy said:
I wish I knew what Tahiti had cost AMD in relation to Kepler tbh.

Maybe Nvidia were not lucky at all, and maybe Kepler has cost them.

Totally agree with DM above ^ I know that Fermi was incredibly expensive to produce and research.

It may even be AMD who were the lucky ones tbh. They certainly lucked out with the 5000 series as I certainly remember reading how much cheaper it was to develop than Fermi.

They may have lucked out again with Tahiti, and Kepler may have cost far more to make (hence how the 104 may do what is suggested against Tahiti).

Ugh. Roll on the 17th. I thought it was today they were going to press :(
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Have you a link to Nvidias financial research and cost details please
 
Rroff said:
In the past companies like AMD and nVidia have worked out who has been leaking information by deliberately putting some different false information in with the real information thats being sent out to people, etc.
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AF is short of water.
 
sonicology said:
AF is short of water.
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Ghøst said:
Kepler 22b - is the first of 54 planets found within the habitable zone.
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Off topic (again), but 22B converted from hexadecimal to decimal is 555. A 22B is also a Japanese import car that I owned way back at the turn of the Millenium. Perhaps Kepler and I are destined to be together:D.
 
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