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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

It's not just about 1080p being the most popular resolution. You need to look at the resolution distribution curve. It is densest at 1080p and below. In fact, 1200p is closer to 1080 than to 1440p or 1600p which.

So 1080p is more representative of 1200p performance than 1440p/1600p is.

and the sum of all resolutions upto and including 1200p in the OCUK survey makes up over 80% of the users.
 
wolvers said:
Have we seen many reviews from this site before so we can gauge their impartiality?
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
HKEPC is one of the better know Chinese websites although I don't check it that much,but I find Inpai tends to be relatively unbiased last time I looked.
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ALXAndy said:
Look man I'm not being funny here but let me explain something to you, and any one else here.

When you sign an NDA it contains a good couple of pages of small print. In that small print it clearly states that if you give out any information whatsoever or any technical details about the product/service you are signing it for then you leave yourself wide open to have your ass sued off.

That is just fact. So how come those benchmarks are up? is some one truly brave enough to go against that and risk their lives being ruined?

The only answer is no. No one who resides upon this earth would so much as dare to go against an NDA. Not unless they were clearly mentally retarded and did not know how to read.

So why are those benchmarks and a clear photo of the card up?

Marketing propaganda that has been given the go ahead by Nvidia.

It's kind of the same as when Gibbo posted early Heaven benchmarks for the 7970. He would absolutely not have done so unless he was allowed to and had been given the go ahead.

So what we do know is that based on history and how an NDA works that those figures are either clearly all out BS, or, they have been sanctioned by Nvidia.

So which one do we go on? BS? sanctioned by Nvidia?

The very fact that they are completely and utterly biased and loaded (and they are) and don't even (in a couple of cases) show the whole story leads me to believe that Nvidia clearly gave its permission for those benchmarks to be posted.

Right now the marketing staff at Nvidia want to make people believe one thing. And that is obviously that the 680 is better than the 7970, and thus will be worth a stupid price.

So how do you prepare people for such a high price? you simply show them your card conclusively beating the rival part, and thus you justify the price you are about to charge, and make people truly believe that they have waited for a better one, because in all of the benchmarks it is faster.

Right?

Well, no.

Nvidia have a very long and proven track record of bullying, lying, covering things up and giving out biased information that works in their favour.

IE - they are only showing what their card wins at, trying to build up a consensus that their card is clearly better and faster at everything than AMD's card.

But, any one with half a brain can figure it out as nothing more than buttered up biased benchmarks.

People are already beginning to spot the clear flaws. IE -

Why only 1080p? why 8XFSAA? why is there just a simple FPS score for Heaven and not the overall scores, averages or maximum frame rates?

Why are all of the titles tested Nvidia proven titles that they have backed and stood behind? IE -

Battlefield 3. When you install a Nvidia driver they are loaded with adverts for the game. The game is also widely known to underperform on AMD cards for whatever reason.

Modern Warfare 3. Another game that was heavily backed and endorsed by Nvidia. There were even limited edition Nvidia cards from certain OEMs that came packaged as so.

Lost Planet 2. A demo that came packed with my GTX 470.

Batman Arkham City. As you load up the game you get Nvidia adverts, then find out the game uses Nvidia Physx.

And so on. Basically all those benchmarks show are the 680 winning.

Looking at them I would say it is clear that the 680 will not win at everything, so they have simply chosen the things it does win at and let out some pictures to fool complete idiots into thinking that they absolutely must have the 680 because it's going to be the fastest card on the market.

Which I would strongly doubt is true.
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Like I said HKEPC is one of the better known Chinese websites. But also I said I don't check it so I cannot say how good it is. However,I know Inpai which is another Chinese website and they are OK. China does have a a few review websites - they are not all clones of each other.

I am quite aware of bias in methodology(due to my background) and also websites trying to get page hits. So I really don't need lecturing on these sorts of things as I am quite aware of this.

The only problem is that if objective reviews show different results to what is shown then it will no doubt backfire on such websites. Like I said I only really know Inpai as their results tend to be in line with other non-Chinese websites and hence seem believable.

chief barker said:
can somebody give me a rundown of the card.

I have a headache, just got up after a night shift and can't be arsed to analyse.

i was going to get 2 7970s.
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Wait until the full reviews are out next week??On the face of it the GTX680 is faster in the games tested when compared to the HD7970. However,when the full reviews are out more games and more settings will be tested so you will get a better view of the relative positions of each card.
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Yep,I am telling people to buy cards based on one preview!! :rolleyes:
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Like I said HKEPC is one of the better known Chinese websites. But also I said I don't check its so I cannot say how good it is. However,I know Inpai which is another Chinese website and they are OK. China does have a afew review websites - they are not all clones of each other.

I am quite aware of bias in methodology(due to my background) and also websites trying to get page hits. So I really don't need lecturing on these sorts of things as I am quite aware of this.

The only problem is that if objective reviews show different results to what is shown then it will no doubt backfire on such websites. Like I said I only really know Inpai as their results tend to be in line with other websites.
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Indeed and we also know that in China they stop people playing games at certain times and other very controlling things.

Which is why I truly believe that Nvidia are trying to use control methods to pimp the 680 whilst leaving the truth at the door.

I will believe the truth when it comes from Bit-tech tbh. Many review sites when reviewing the 470 and 480 concentrated on one thing ; raw performance. They negated to mention all of the flaws.

The whole story will be when I make my mind up :)
 
ALXAndy said:
Oh dear. It would seem you have already been brainwashed.

Before you make such bold statements I would wait for the truth. IE - the whole story, and not some Nvidia hand picked loaded BS.



At £450 there are plenty of cards on the market that can already handle games perfectly well at that resolution.
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Just curious. How much did your 7970 cost you? I ask because I consider my PC a hobby, the same as I consider my Golf a hobby.

If people choose to spend money on a hobby, then it is up to them and not you. They have an opinion and if they want to spend £400+ on a card (like you did) it is up to them and nobody else (maybe the wife gets some input but hey ho).

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Dave Beast is more than happy with his card and that's how it should be.
 
djxput said:
not sure if anyone else saw this but ...
the 2nd pic shows this:
default clock 706 gpu clock 1006 ... so is this thing OCed and we are getting these results or is this the clocks its supposed to be sold at?
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IIRC yesterday or the day before a post by an Nvidia official was posted and it clearly said that the clock speed was fake (1006).

So that card could be heavily overclocked, totally at its limits.

Why are they using DICE or LN2 or whatever on the CPU for some simple benchmarks?

Honestly man, that "review" has so many holes in it that it belongs under the streets of Paris.
 
Hmm, seems that 1006mhz is overclocked and the actual speed is 700mhz as per below.
Also, how is it fair running an overclocked GTX680 against a stock 7970?

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My BF3 results at 1150/1650 (everyday 24/7 overclock)

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72fps, the same as the GTX 680 overclocked. I bet when you ramp up the resolution then Kepler will fail due to only having 2gb vram. I'm using upto 1800mb at 1080p
 
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gregster said:
Just curious. How much did your 7970 cost you? I ask because I consider my PC a hobby, the same as I consider my Golf a hobby.

If people choose to spend money on a hobby, then it is up to them and not you. They have an opinion and if they want to spend £400+ on a card (like you did) it is up to them and nobody else (maybe the wife gets some input but hey ho).
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TBH Greg (and I am usually a very honest person) very little to nothing.

I have money put aside for life in general, I have my living costs taken care of.

I had already displayed what sort of a person I was by buying a 6970 TFIII with two games for £280. That was close to being the most I had spent on a GPU since 2001 when I ran a 3Dlabs Oxygen 32mb with a pair of Voodoo 2s.

Any way, sorry for digressing. A friend of mine bought an Alienware Aurora in parts and never finished it, before buying a ALX. He then realised that the place he was storing the Aurora in was becoming damp, so wanted to get shot of it fast. I gave him £130 and an Xbox 360 for it. I threw in a pair of GTX 295s that were given to me and sold it for £600.

So yes, the 7970 "owes" me pretty much nothing, and unless it was for that "touch" then I would quite simply not own one.

I just figured it was a good idea to safeguard my PC gaming with that money instead of blowing it on food and beer and so on. Gaming I do a lot of and it's pretty much how I stay in touch with all of my USA in laws and friends.
 
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Even if it is Turbo boost it means there is not much performance left for enthusiasts to squeeze out of it.
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And can you disable that? because if you don't disable speedstep on a CPU it can reek havoc when overclocking.

As I say, please please please people, wait and see what this card actually does before rushing out to buy one.
 
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